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Should servers allow the wait command again?

Yes
21 (63.6%)
No
8 (24.2%)
Yes
1 (3%)
Yes
0 (0%)
No
0 (0%)
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3 (9.1%)

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ProdigySim

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Bring back the wait command
« on: June 16, 2016, 09:22:29 am »
Hi. I think servers should enable the wait command again.

Here's some reasons why the wait command was disabled that are no longer valid:

  • People used jump spam scripts to common hop more effectively in some cases.
    • Common hopping is now a death sentence (on high tickrate).
  • People used autofire scripts to fire pistols faster.
    • I *think* the configs do something to rate limit pistols anyway on high tick
    • I have a feeling that by now AHK is fairly ubiquitous among those who want to use scripts to this advantage.
  • Some people maybe used a script for jumprocks...
    • Acemod doesn't even allow jumprocks (though PM5 does I guess?)
    • I've never seen a successful jumprock script without locked framerates and such. AHK would be much better.

Here's some reasons not allowing wait command makes things worse:

  • Players that use wait commands (now: generally new confogl players) crash and have to choose to edit autoexecs or not play confogl.
  • When playing back demos from wait-disabled-servers, every time the demo begins (i.e. plays tick 0) it disables wait commands. If you want to use wait commands while recording, it's a veritable minefield of crashes/freezes.
    • I've tried a number of non-plugin techniques to prevent this, and it seems to bypass the console environment entirely.

Here's some things that I honestly think would make the game better or more appealing with wait commands enabled:

  • Glow scripts.
    • Even without the "flashing items" part, glows that alternate between temp and perm health are very useful and helpful to new players.
    • More relevant in promod than acemod, but it was still a huge quality of life addon, and it really helped newer players who needed to get used to the health bonus system.
  • Spectator/Camera Scripts
    • Kissme remembers to check health bonus once in a blue moon. Some scripts to output all of that info regularly could add to things.
    • There was a short-lived auto-spectating bot that used ingame scripts to switch perspectives between players. No longer possible :(

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 10:21:43 am »
Agree with psim. We should also let people use legit addons what makes game even cooler to play. Like in this pcw --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MyNAGKoOc

Health bar addons.
skybox addons.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 10:55:01 am »
+1. Thank you ProdigySim.

Glow Scripts
  • Even without the "flashing items" part, glows that alternate between temp and perm health are very useful and helpful to new players.
  • More relevant in promod than acemod, but it was still a huge quality of life addon, and it really helped newer players who needed to get used to the health bonus system.
I'd add to this that at least one player has approached me to ask if it's possible to get glow scripts working on wait-disabled servers because he is colorblind in two primary colors and nothing works for him except flashing glows. So you can tack on disabled accessibility as another item in the + column.

Disabling waits was always dumb because AHK always existed. It's past time to roll back that pointless restriction on the legitimate usage of scripts.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 11:03:27 am by fig newtons »

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 11:22:32 am »
If Acemod remains the main config after Kissme's cup is over, yes. If cup admins decide to continue enforcing Promod in its current form, then no.

Things the de-facto leading competitive config has to block before we can start talking about your offer:
  • Bunnyhops(jockeys may be an exception at the config author's sole discretion)
  • Jumprocks
  • Fast pistol fire
  • Ideally the asian fast melee exploit(but not necessarily; luckily dec is a chinese jew and hasn't shared this exploit outside of his community)
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 11:26:13 am by Visor »
$10 says you aren't anywhere near a controlling position of the L4D3 scene in any continent when it happens.

Thing is he does what he wants, cause his able to and we are letting him do that. He abuses hes place and power in this community and people like me get banned for no reason. Only thing visor wants is more and more control so he can do what ever he wants.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2016, 11:46:20 am »
If Acemod remains the main config after Kissme's cup is over, yes. If cup admins decide to continue enforcing Promod in its current form, then no.

Honestly, I believe Acemod is going to remain the main config; I base this both off of scrims and also when I (occasionally) wander around and spectate a typical American pug, it seems to be 75%-25% in favor of Acemod to Promod. After playing Acemod more than a few times, there's no competition, as I've said before, and I think that notion has caught on.

Re: wait commands, I've never used them and probably never will, but if other people see the use and it's not going to be abused for a competitive advantage in the main config, then go ahead.
I look forward to this post being taken down so that you can continue running a corrupt system for a game that has less teams then I can count with one hand.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2016, 12:13:41 pm »
Yes please. With AHK you could always do anything you want with waits disabled anyway.

Fig: In case you forgot, CanadaRox has a separate version of his glows that are made for wait disabled servers; I think it was a version of his rainbow glows. Maybe that could be an option for your buddy in the meantime. Not sure if it still works but it's on your autoexec archive: https://sites.google.com/site/left4dead2stuff/customization/autoexec-archive
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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2016, 01:36:11 pm »
  • Spectator/Camera Scripts
  • Kissme remembers to check health bonus once in a blue moon. Some scripts to output all of that info regularly could add to things.
  • There was a short-lived auto-spectating bot that used ingame scripts to switch perspectives between players. No longer possible :(

I feel like this is a poor argument for bringing back wait commands as this is at fault of the streamer. It's not hard to make a multiple info bind and press it at the end of every attack(or every other attack). Exactly what else is a streamer doing besides moving the camera around that they can't remember to press a bind every now and then? If you say talking...

Agree with psim. We should also let people use legit addons what makes game even cooler to play. Like in this pcw --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MyNAGKoOc

Health bar addons.
skybox addons.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was an issue where it wasn't possible to check the integrity of an add-on to make sure it wasn't tampered with to get by a whitelist. Mathacking is still a thing in pubs, and I've ran into a few confogl players that have used them in pubs and I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bring them into competitive if they were able to.

Honestly, I believe Acemod is going to remain the main config

If only Ace Shotgunmod actually buffed the uzi instead of giving it some reload buff that doesn't remedy the actual issue with the weapon. I still personally prefer Promod but will agree that Acemod is more polished, and seems to cater to the community.



One of the main reasons wait commands were disabled on the NA servers was because the anti-cheat plugin used by some of the servers had lots of false-positives making catching hackers more difficult. It wasn't the auto-pistol, glow scripts, bunnyhops, ect. but the fact that it created lots of false positive flags in SMAC.

It's been so long without wait commands that I've adapted all my scripts to not use them. However, I can agree that for newer people it can be troublesome and confusing.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 01:48:43 pm »
Agree with psim. We should also let people use legit addons what makes game even cooler to play. Like in this pcw --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5MyNAGKoOc

Health bar addons.
skybox addons.

Could've made your argument without the video..
Pfft.. just spamming your youtube channel on us.. Shameless.
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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 04:38:10 pm »
Ideally the asian fast melee exploit(but not necessarily; luckily dec is a chinese jew and hasn't shared this exploit outside of his community)
This is quite common in Russian community. Ive made a fix ( https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=2407280 ), but there are only a couple of servers which use it.

I think servers should enable the wait command again.
I agree with that. "wait" command is just an easier way of doing things too many players do now with thier mouse macroses.
After all exploits that Visor mentioned are blocked, "wait" command can be unblocked with no harm

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2016, 05:32:16 pm »
Honestly, I believe Acemod is going to remain the main config; I base this both off of scrims and also when I (occasionally) wander around and spectate a typical American pug, it seems to be 75%-25% in favor of Acemod to Promod. After playing Acemod more than a few times, there's no competition, as I've said before, and I think that notion has caught on.

Re: wait commands, I've never used them and probably never will, but if other people see the use and it's not going to be abused for a competitive advantage in the main config, then go ahead.

yea, lets just say.... it wont  8) 8)

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2016, 05:49:56 pm »
I voted yes because I misread the question but I don't regret it becaue I will be able to create any script I need
After being part of this community for many years no one has been more of an ignorant and pretentious fool than Sir. One time he banned me for breaking the rules... what a fucking joke.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2016, 05:52:24 pm »
honestly wait commands should be allowed. If most of the reasons they were blocked were changed, then its not really going to affect anything putting them back in. And saying they should still be blocked with the excuse of stopping cheaters is fucking nonsense. cheaters aren't going to care if wait commands are in or not, and apparently the community still doesn't care about people cheating so fuck off xbye.

Bring back wait commands, bring back party smoker and boomer, bring back invader zim jockey and bring back zeon hud and the good looking skyboxes

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 07:06:38 pm »
I didn't read anything here but can u dweebs stop hacking? thx

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2016, 07:06:47 pm »
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If only Ace Shotgunmod actually buffed the uzi instead of giving it some reload buff that doesn't remedy the actual issue with the weapon. I still personally prefer Promod but will agree that Acemod is more polished, and seems to cater to the community.

I mean, I believe uzi is still a stronger gun in the right hands, I don't know what is wrong with uzi other than it having pretty big spread/inaccuracy, But if these guns were laserbeam accurate they would be way too OP.

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Re: Bring back the wait command
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2016, 08:15:06 pm »
I mean, I believe uzi is still a stronger gun in the right hands, I don't know what is wrong with uzi other than it having pretty big spread/inaccuracy, But if these guns were laserbeam accurate they would be way too OP.
nah lets just go back to hunting rifles like the gold ol days of 2010. we'll see how much people complain about uzi or shotgun  then

 

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