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Title: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: fig newtons on October 18, 2016, 10:13:38 pm
Round 4

(http://i.imgur.com/RRBA14i.jpg)

Round starts: Monday, October 17th, 2016
Round ends: Sunday, October 23rd 2016 (23:59 PT)

 Rules (https://github.com/rpdelaney/l4d2-tourney-rules/blob/2016hotmess/rules.md)

 Pairings (http://hotmess.online/tourney/2016HOT/pairs4.html)

REMINDER: This is a home/away tournament. Some of the flags on the pairings are inaccurate due to a longstanding bug in the software. Click Here (http://pastebin.com/nFPAapnW) for an easily searchable list of teams (ctrl + f) with captain denotation, and then go here (http://l4dnation.com/rbt-summer-tournament/hot-mess-tournament-2016-official-signup-thread) if you need to find their specific steam profiles.

NOTES: Players who are permanently banned from the Hot Mess group may not participate in the tournament.

Post match schedules, results, or questions related to Round 4 in this thread. General tournament questions should go in the main thread.

Results must be posted in this thread with a screenshot before the round end deadline.
Results are not to be sent over steam IM.

EVEN IF YOUR GAME IS STREAMED,
YOU MUST POST YOUR RESULTS IN THIS THREAD
Failure to do so will result in a forfeit loss.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: 3yebex on October 19, 2016, 02:54:02 am
If possible, please make sure your posts are in EST or PST time-zones as to prevent me from making some mistake. Also, please state if you are playing two games.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 19, 2016, 07:59:54 am
Nameless would like to withdraw from the tournament.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: LioN on October 19, 2016, 11:06:44 am
G2 vs Seduction
Saturday 8CET
Home/away
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Criss on October 20, 2016, 12:01:04 pm
Eternity will withdraw from the tournament :)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: manzano_O on October 20, 2016, 01:29:24 pm
G2 vs Seduction
Saturday 8CET
Home/away
Still discussing about home/away...
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: LioN on October 20, 2016, 01:36:36 pm
Still discussing about home/away...

RU vs EU team still discussing yeah...
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 20, 2016, 02:05:55 pm
RU vs EU team still discussing yeah...

When you get either lower or the same ping as the other team does on their "home" server, then yes i'd say it's worth a discussion. You get 5 ping on russia and they get 100-200. Whereas on Eu you'd both get around 50.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 20, 2016, 07:26:40 pm
Aphelion Vs. Point and Click - Friday @ 13:00 PDT | 22:00 CEST
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: hydro on October 21, 2016, 02:18:00 am
S. Shooterz vs Yoshi

Saturday 10 pm EST home/away game
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: trice on October 21, 2016, 09:34:24 am
ITS OFFICIAL!!!!

Pubstomping Quads battle it out with To Be Determined in the North American Chicago 1 Stadium Arena
Sunday Evening at 7:00PM Eastern Standard Time (US & Canada) UTC-05:00
MONO-E-MONO

LEEEEEEEEEEEET'S GET READY TO RUMMBLLLLLLEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Be Determined > Pubstomping Quads by forfiet
http://imgur.com/a/fP9u4 (http://imgur.com/a/fP9u4)

Saturday, October 22, 2016
7:09 PM - gнσѕт: hey, sorry but my team decided to drop out the tourney, so we won't play tonight. i apologize.
7:11 PM - 'ᵗʳᶥᶜᵉ: :(
7:11 PM - 'ᵗʳᶥᶜᵉ: you mean tomorrow night
7:12 PM - gнσѕт: oh, yeah tomorrow night. sorry, used to scheduling on saturdays a lot, lol. but yeah, we're unable to
7:12 PM - gнσѕт: sorry again for the inconvience to you and your team
7:12 PM - 'ᵗʳᶥᶜᵉ: ok np
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: manzano_O on October 21, 2016, 02:13:23 pm
G2 vs Seduction
Saturday 8CET
Home/away

1 game
21:12 - fig: Play 1 game Germany server
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Luckylock on October 21, 2016, 04:04:28 pm
Point & Click Adventures VS Aphelion (match was supposed to be played 4pm EST)

We haven't had a single match in the past few tournaments VS danne's team where it didn't take more than an hour to start because of arguments about server locations and whatnot. It wasn't different this time, as expected.

We joined a Chicago Server a waited for 15-20 minutes, readied up. They argued and never joined, claiming that they wanted home / away. We wanted 1 game New York. After later discussion with fig, it was determined that 1 game New York will be played.

At 4:30 PM EST, azula went offline saying he couldn't finish the match even if we started now. We were then left with 2 options.

1) Play with a ringer
2) Try and claim the FFW since they didn't show up at least 15 mins after the scheduled time

We're going with option 2 because we don't feel they deserve to play us with a ringer since the delay is the result of their arguing. There's always drama / bs going on when trying to schedule matches with Danne / his buddies and I can't stress this enough, we've grown pretty tired of it.

These are the facts as I know it, whatever happens happens.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 21, 2016, 04:14:00 pm
Alright so this is all quite simple. I'm choosing to ignore your blabbing about issues with scheduling, The last time we played you hib didn't even tell you when your match was going to be, you admitted that on mumble. I hardly think we're at fault for your collective incompetence. We've never had any issue scheduling with ANY other opponent - As i said during Bleedout - to schedule with people who speak only chinese is easier than to schedule with you.

You joined a Chicago server yes, and then communicated nothing to us about your wishes. I tried to speak to Tool but he was very unresponsive. He said "Azula wants 1 game!" Leading us to wonder what you were doing on a Chicago server. If you had wanted one game then it'd certainly be on an NY server, not Chicago. Upon contacting Fig about the matter, He told us that we'd have to play 1 game in this round. Within 30 seconds i'd created and NY server and loaded the config. TooL joined that server after I informed him of fig's ruling. None of you decided to come and play.

21:06 - TooL: azula wants one game
21:06 - aρн.salty: interesting
21:08 - TooL: talk to azula http://steamcommunity.com/id/hewhowill/ (http://steamcommunity.com/id/hewhowill/)

I added Azula, no response in the next 30 minutes from him, didn't accept the invite.

21:26 - aρн.salty: ?
21:28 - TooL: gonna have to see what fig decides on
21:28 - aρн.salty: so you're refusing to play?
21:29 - TooL: you guys signed up as NA and my team wants to do one game ny
21:35 - aρн.salty: alright
21:35 - aρн.salty: 1 game ny says fig
21:35 - aρн.salty: go
21:41 - aρн.salty: can we get things moving please
21:45 - aρн.salty: ?

TooL suggested that his team wanted a single game on a New York server, Leaving me wondering why exactly they spent 10 minutes waiting on a Chicago server. After consulting with Fig I made the New York server that tool requested, He joined but nobody else from P&C joined.

Riddle me this - If you'd contacted us and said you wanted 1 game on an NY server, then joined an NY server, By that point it would have already been 13:15 PDT at the very earliest. We could have joined and probably got started after streamers and whatnot had arrived within perhaps 10 minutes? So that brings us to something like 13:25 PDT. Now, Azula left at around 13:35 PDT, if not earlier. I was made aware of him leaving at 13:35. So even if we had joined an LA server and played 1 map, you'd have been down to 3 players at the end of that map. You didn't have the means to complete the game regardless of which server was used. Anyway - The point remains that if you were to play 1 game against us then it would have to be a New York server, Not the chicago server that you were so commited to waiting on. You have a weak argument at best, Essentially you couldn't field 4 players and want the FFW due to that.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Luckylock on October 21, 2016, 04:22:07 pm
On behalf of azula:

Your home server location:
http://i.imgur.com/n1fHYwD.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/n1fHYwD.jpg)

Us waiting in server for 15+ minutes:
http://i.imgur.com/VCEkKjP.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/VCEkKjP.jpg)

You refusing to play 1 game on NY:
http://i.imgur.com/wm2dD6n.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/wm2dD6n.jpg)

My past broadcast of us waiting around in the chicago server and discussing what to do:
https://www.twitch.tv/luckylock/v/96325414 (https://www.twitch.tv/luckylock/v/96325414)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 21, 2016, 04:28:21 pm
On behalf of azula:

Your home server location:
[url]http://i.imgur.com/n1fHYwD.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/n1fHYwD.jpg[/url])

Us waiting in server for 15+ minutes:
[url]http://i.imgur.com/VCEkKjP.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/VCEkKjP.jpg[/url])

You refusing to play 1 game on NY:
[url]http://i.imgur.com/wm2dD6n.jpg[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/wm2dD6n.jpg[/url])

My past broadcast of us waiting around in the chicago server and discussing what to do:
[url]https://www.twitch.tv/luckylock/v/96325414[/url] ([url]https://www.twitch.tv/luckylock/v/96325414[/url])


As soon as Fig said 1 game we went to an NY server within 30 seconds, Followed by TooL. You guys were waiting on a Chicago server the whole time, If you'd been waiting on an NY server then there wouldn't have been a problem. You're also ignoring the fact you wouldn't have been able to finish the game regardless of any of this.

So your logic is what? You are upset we didn't play 1 game on a Chicago server before having a chat with the admins first? As soon as Fig made his choice we joined a New York server and were ready to play. You on the other hand waited on a Chicago server and didn't want to budge. As for our server choice - that post was made by a player who is no longer on the roster. Our team is European, We've used Eu as our home server in every round that we've played thus far. In addition to that I'm captain and not supra, the post isn't correct and we'd have edited it save for the fact that the "deadline to edit" expired and we do not have access to Lust's l4dnation account. The fact we've acted consistantly as a European team in the other rounds is testament to these facts.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Luckylock on October 21, 2016, 04:41:42 pm
Playing home / away would have given your team tremendous ping advantage, since we had 2 west coast players, and you had an american player.

Playing 1 game NY was very obviously the most reasonable choice yet you argued for ages against it until fig forced you into it. Trying to start matches with you has always been a huge hassle / waste of time. Again we're tired of it and have better things to do.

I'm not sure why we joined a Chicago server, there isn't really an explanation. You didn't want to play NY and argued for the longest time anyway. I am just done waiting hours for a match to start. You always try to pull a quick one on us and bullshit your way through advantages. The decision will be made by the admins and whatever happens I'm fine with.

At some point you just gotta man up and stop accepting bullshit. We're done with yours.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: fig newtons on October 21, 2016, 04:42:25 pm
There will be no more posts here between you two arguing. We'll take all the facts into consideration when making our decision.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Cyx on October 21, 2016, 07:27:38 pm
Noxious vs Hugh Jass Construction
Saturday @ 3:30PM EST
One game.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: hib on October 22, 2016, 02:14:43 am
Our team is European, We've used Eu as our home server in every round that we've played thus far.

I'm pretty sure the rule states, your team's region is dictated based on the majority of the players on your team.
3 USA, 2 EU

Ringers do not qualify, or should they even be considered when deciding what server should be played because they are technically not apart of the team that was signed up.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Jockey on October 22, 2016, 05:02:26 am
Moon Young Vs Sol Invictus

KR Time 1 PM Sunday [KST]

Home/away 2 Game
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: purple on October 22, 2016, 11:43:24 am
Daddy vs Pubstar

Maybe tonight (Saturday) 7 or 8 EST TBD

Probably home/away
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: LioN on October 22, 2016, 01:31:35 pm
We waited more than 20 mins but they didnt show up.
http://imgur.com/a/DZwhH (http://imgur.com/a/DZwhH)

Then they called gg.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/427106415241931148/8BDF4B71E119C9621DF18723EEB3053439D63B4E/ (http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/427106415241931148/8BDF4B71E119C9621DF18723EEB3053439D63B4E/)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Denox on October 22, 2016, 01:37:38 pm
Its Unfornunate but yeah. My Internet died for about half an hour at 8. We went to play 2v2 before the Cup game and i wanted to restart my net cause i was getting 0,5 mb download speed instead of 120.  Net didnt come back up in TIme. Im here now but anyways gg
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Denox on October 22, 2016, 01:39:20 pm
We waited more than 20 mins but they didnt show up.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/DZwhH[/url] ([url]http://imgur.com/a/DZwhH[/url])

Then they called gg.
[url]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/427106415241931148/8BDF4B71E119C9621DF18723EEB3053439D63B4E/[/url] ([url]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/427106415241931148/8BDF4B71E119C9621DF18723EEB3053439D63B4E/[/url])


Also 3 of My Members were there waiting for me. I couldnt join in time. So please dont say that they didnt show up.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: LioN on October 22, 2016, 03:14:15 pm
G2 > Seduction

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785440988 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785440988)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Cyx on October 22, 2016, 03:51:32 pm
Noxious (6,600) > Hugh Jass Construction (1528)
They called gg on map 4.
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/249214229963310659/B882C9278413BB2B6A22C15EF6909C0C8DCA8EAB/ (http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/249214229963310659/B882C9278413BB2B6A22C15EF6909C0C8DCA8EAB/)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 22, 2016, 05:25:44 pm
Aph vs Prick - 23:27 BST, Now. One game
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Pariah on October 22, 2016, 07:37:15 pm
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785592099 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785592099)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Peter Griefin on October 22, 2016, 09:26:45 pm
Pubstar > Daddy

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/242458830521898267/87FD249C97E0F742A38E5494B05D01A98799BA4F/ (http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/242458830521898267/87FD249C97E0F742A38E5494B05D01A98799BA4F/)
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/242458830522161725/B09FF740A23D57588630894C3A95852046C01458/ (http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/242458830522161725/B09FF740A23D57588630894C3A95852046C01458/)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Jockey on October 22, 2016, 11:03:38 pm
Moon Young > Sol Invictus

Jockey: You can home first?
Lobster Facts: Nah, gg
Jockey: gg?
Lobster Facts: Can't get my team to respond, easy forfeit
Jockey: your team
Jockey: gg?
Lobster Facts: Yes
Jockey: we win>?
Lobster Facts: Yes
Lobster Facts: Wp
Jockey: I go to post
Jockey: ??
Lobster Facts: Yep, go ahead
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: roka5542 on October 23, 2016, 12:06:54 am
S. Shooterz(5690) < Yoshi(7070)

Yoshi  away : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785666722 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785666722)

Yoshi  home : http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785688876 (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=785688876)

Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Atreyu on October 23, 2016, 09:35:42 am
Miracle Wipe vs. Ufouma
Sunday 5pm cest
we have to start punctually, becaus hornchen has to go around 6:45pm

Only one match on american server (due to lack of schedule opportunities)
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 4 - The Passifice
Post by: Atreyu on October 23, 2016, 11:52:24 am
Miracle Wipe > Ufouma

4571 - 2472

http://imgur.com/4TAq8ag (http://imgur.com/4TAq8ag)