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Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: skup on October 30, 2016, 03:58:19 pm
Pubstar > Aph.

FFW

Suddenly the rules matter the moment you lose a map, Kappa. Also, Aphelion needs a ringer for good reasons, if you respect Ramirez at least a bit, you would've played.


Edit: Apparently there was already commotion about this shit before the match, so my bad for calling you guys out, but goddamnit, I want this match to happen right now, where's my quality entertainment!
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: purple on October 30, 2016, 04:44:13 pm
Suddenly the rules matter the moment you lose a map, Kappa. Also, Aphelion needs a ringer for good reasons, if you respect Ramirez at least a bit, you would've played.


Edit: Apparently there was already commotion about this shit before the match, so my bad for calling you guys out, but goddamnit, I want this match to happen right now, where's my quality entertainment!

poor acer :(, FeelsBadMan
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 05:13:33 pm
GOTTA LOVE KARMA MAN

ALWAYS BITES YOU IN THE ASS
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: ap on October 30, 2016, 05:49:54 pm
aren't you technically agreeing to the opposite team using ringer if you ready up and play an entire map? i don't see how calling for a ffw after the game is live should even be allowed. afaik aphelion didn't break any rules. shouldn't pub* have just sat in server waiting for an admin decision? kinda like 15 min tardiness rule? pretty sure that has always been how you call for a ffw in those situations.

no hating here, just really curious about these rules.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 06:00:00 pm
Pretty sure acer was available for the match but Danne didnt wanna use him to play Pubstar, so he tried to use a ringer instead. That is why they called for a FFW.

It's actually hilarious.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: supra on October 30, 2016, 06:07:38 pm
Pretty sure it was one game on EU, where we would have had one guy with 180 ms, one guy with 120 ms, and two guys with green, vs 3 green and one yellow. If it were one game NY, we would have used acer, but we all know they would never do that. Thug is basically on our roster anyways (he will be in a couple days), and he's played half of our matches (even with acer). Pubstar's captain, peter, said to danne "w/e lets just play" and pubstar readied up and we played entire map 1. They lost map 1 and thus wanted a ffw to secure "victory." It's alright, they ragequit and got a ffw, it's no big deal. ggz.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 06:13:13 pm
So, it's confirmed guys. Acer was online to play the games and they didnt use him. They wanted to use a EU ringer to secure themselves better ping advantage because they really wanted to win, and after being douche canoes for a while Pubstar called FFW against the douchebaggery.

Thanks for confirming that Supra.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 06:18:28 pm
I don't understand why people like Dildo are trying to involve themselves in something that obviously doesn't concern them. We used Acer against your team and won rather easily - Acer is a great player and we have no issue playing with him. Due to it being a single game on a european server and the fact that Thug will be on our roster for the playoffs stage, we elected to use Thug for this match as we would in the playoffs if playing a European team.

Peter did indeed say that he was okay with playing, Hence why we played the first map. Dusty was unhappy with getting wiped and decided to take the easy way out rather than enduring a 45 minute beatdown. Questionable considering that they had previously agreed to start the game and only left due to being wiped on the first map. Regardless, the match is over and all this babble isn't leading to anything productive. We have no complaints about the result besides it being rather funny the manner in which it happened, I Don't understand why anyone is even talking about it.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dusty on October 30, 2016, 06:28:18 pm
I originally wasn't going to say anything on the topic, but I figured I'd throw in some FACTZ

1. You guys are the ones who changed your region from NA to EU, Not us.
2. You never asked to play new york.
3. You never asked to use a ringer, when it states you have to get permission to use ringers.
4. You had members of your team on that you refused to play with.

I clearly stated that I was not allowing you to use a ringer, and bring one of the people on your roster. Danne proceeded to lie and say he is on the roster, and other members saying they will bring my mom to play.

I went and contacted admins and waited for a response.

If admins said play, then I would not have wasted peoples time and the game would have already been in progress.
If admins said FFW, then it is what it is.

Dusty* :  why is thug here?
aρн.salty :  he's on the roster
DustY* :  okay then, bring one of your 4.
aρн.salty :  we have
ᕦ(ò_ó*)ᕤ :  we dont care if u dont agree we take him anyway


DustY* :  I said ringers arent allowed, so what you pick
ᕦ(ò_ó*)ᕤ :  I pick your mother


I was told by MANY people that you would try to bring a ringer without asking, because it's not the first time you did it. You didn't need a ringer, you had members of your roster on. My team could just go ask and EU to play over me while Im online and ready to play, but unfortunately that's not how it works.

If you actually needed a ringer, or asked before because there was problems, this wouldn't have happened. I'm normally very easygoing, but if you try to be sleazy, I give zero fucks.

Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: supra on October 30, 2016, 06:31:36 pm
yeah but your mom didn't even have time to join the server
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 06:33:38 pm
I don't understand why people like Dildo are trying to involve themselves in something that obviously doesn't concern them. We used Acer against your team and won rather easily - Acer is a great player and we have no issue playing with him. Due to it being a single game on a european server and the fact that Thug will be on our roster for the playoffs stage, we elected to use Thug for this match as we would in the playoffs if playing a European team.

Peter did indeed say that he was okay with playing, Hence why we played the first map. Dusty was unhappy with getting wiped and decided to take the easy way out rather than enduring a 45 minute beatdown. Questionable considering that they had previously agreed to start the game and only left due to being wiped on the first map. Regardless, the match is over and all this babble isn't leading to anything productive. We have no complaints about the result besides it being rather funny the manner in which it happened, I Don't understand why anyone is even talking about it.

I don't understand why people like Danne don't just use the available players they have online to play their matches and then piss their panties about getting a FFL.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 06:40:51 pm
1. You guys are the ones who changed your region from NA to EU, Not us.
2. You never asked to play new york.
3. You never asked to use a ringer, when it states you have to get permission to use ringers.
4. You had members of your team on that you refused to play with.

I clearly stated that I was not allowing you to use a ringer, and bring one of the people on your roster. Danne proceeded to lie and say he is on the roster, and other members saying they will bring my mom to play.

I went and contacted admins and waited for a response.

If admins said play, then I would not have wasted peoples time and the game would have already been in progress.
If admins said FFW, then it is what it is.

Dusty* :  why is thug here?
aρн.salty :  he's on the roster
DustY* :  okay then, bring one of your 4.
aρн.salty :  we have
ᕦ(ò_ó*)ᕤ :  we dont care if u dont agree we take him anyway


DustY* :  I said ringers arent allowed, so what you pick
ᕦ(ò_ó*)ᕤ :  I pick your mother

I'm not sure what the relevance of your first two "points" are. We made no complaints about our region change or anything like that. We weren't going to ask for 1 game NY, Why should we? We're a European team. We did not refuse to play with anyone, We simply didn't care enough to bother changing at that point. Acer has played over half our games and we've had no issue with him. Peter was aware of who we'd be using and I don't think he had any issues with it, It was just you who was upset by it.

We had a little bit of fun messing with you because we all consider you to be a bit of a clown, That's all. We are aware that thug isn't on our roster yet and it was not an attempt to deceive you. I'm sure Peter can attest to that. You're welcome to continue to say that you left only because Fig replied to you rather than because you got wiped and realise you'd lose the game, That's okay with me. See you in the finals boys.. :)
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 06:44:57 pm
Danne says "We are a EU team."

Yet has 3 North American starters and 2 EU players

Aphelion

Region
Europe

Server Preference
France

Roster

supra - STEAM_0:0:41772911
http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheManYouFear (http://steamcommunity.com/id/TheManYouFear)

avocado - STEAM_0:1:17710442
http://steamcommunity.com/id/yeahimaceryeah (http://steamcommunity.com/id/yeahimaceryeah)

Ramirez - STEAM_0:1:27336617
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014938963 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198014938963)

danne (captain) - STEAM_0:0:68947509
http://steamcommunity.com/id/sadadfafas924/ (http://steamcommunity.com/id/sadadfafas924/)

jota - STEAM_0:1:33701722
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027669173 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198027669173)
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 06:46:03 pm
My bad, guess Acer isn't a good enough player for you. Gotta use a sub even tho he's online.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dusty on October 30, 2016, 06:50:27 pm
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I'm not sure what the relevance of your first two "points" are. We made no complaints about our region change or anything like that. We weren't going to ask for 1 game NY, Why should we? We're a European team. We did not refuse to play with anyone, We simply didn't care enough to bother changing at that point.

Because you pick your roster, and you pick your server preference. You changed your server preference to EU so you could try to do this cheese shit, You didn't even ask your team member to play, you just went and asked for a ringer, because they would have better ping, Yeah obviously it's just less effort to ask a ringer to play, instead of the people on your roster?  :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 06:54:37 pm
There's not much point replying to you, But I'm feeling generous. So one last time, Just for Dildo. Ramirez is inactive, He stated that he does not believe he will be able to play at any point during the remainder of the tournament. We will be adding a third European player to our roster once the playoffs stage goes live. Therefore we will have 3 Europeans and 2 Americans. I hope that clears it up for you Dildo, If you need any further assistance don't hesitate to ask.

Acer is a great player, I consider him to be far better than most players participating in this tournament. That can be evidenced by the fact we played with Acer against your team and won easily. Find something else to do.
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 06:57:11 pm
Because you pick your roster, and you pick your server preference. You changed your server preference to EU so you could try to do this cheese shit, You didn't even ask your team member to play, you just went and asked for a ringer, because they would have better ping, Yeah obviously it's just less effort to ask a ringer to play, instead of the people on your roster?  :-\ :-\ :-\

That "Ringer" shall be on our roster and shall play our games against European opponents in the playoffs stage. It's really very simple, I'm sure even you can understand it. We have no issue with our region being Europe, We have no issue with any of it really. We merely didn't anticipate someone being as desperate to win as you were today. I hope you're satisfied with the impressive victory you got today. I'm sure looking forward to play you guys in the playoffs with the same 4 we had today.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 07:09:27 pm
But, he isn't on your roster currently. Therefore, he is a sub. Therefore, you get a FFL because you tried to pull some scumbag shit with getting a lower ping player rather than your actual member who was online.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: JOTAQQ on October 30, 2016, 07:14:44 pm
@Dusty, I left what I was doing to play and not to listen a baby crying about we are not going to play because we took a ringer.
The way you were trying to get the win without playing touched my balls and thats the reason of my comments. Because pussies dont deserve any respect, and it is funny to see how all your team wanted to play the match except you and you are not even captain of pubstar so we dont understand why you were even talking.

I could never imagine how a good player could use that "ringer rule" to get a defwin in a match that we all wanted to play, even your team, and everyone wanted to watch. Using that in a dead game in a cup without prize and in group stage its a shame.

I only can imagine that you did it because you have lot of free time and you take this game as something personal. Maybe you should care less about this game and leave the cave where you play, so you dont waste the time of all the people who was ready to play/watch this. I doubt if the scores of first map were different you wouldnt continue playing. If you planned to get the win like this we dont understand why you played first map. If admin is not here and u want to cry just wait for him and dont start the match.

But yes, rules are rules, we respect that, you can be proud of wining like this, we dont care, you can cover youself with the rules while you are hiding under your bed.

@Dyl, you hate danne, I understand it, u got your chance to win him and u got raped. Try next time but stop posting like an idiot.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 07:19:50 pm
But, he isn't on your roster currently. Therefore, he is a sub. Therefore, you get a FFL because you tried to pull some scumbag shit with getting a lower ping player rather than your actual member who was online.

Uh Huh, So your BIG REVEAL is to point out a few things that nobody was ever contesting and nobody had ever denied? Fantastic work Detective Dildo, it only took you a few hours to catch up with the most obvious details of the situation.

Apparently using a sub is regarded as a scumbag move by Detective Dildo, everything else was blindingly obvious to everyone except, Well, You.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 07:20:05 pm
@jota, you hate playing fairly, we understand it, u got your chance to play a game fairly and u got a FFL for it. Try next time but stop posting like an idiot.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 07:21:27 pm
Using a sub for a ping advantage while a current teammate is online is yes a scumbag move.

I mean idk how you havent read me repeating the same thing 5 posts in a row Danne. It seems you're the one that needs to catch up girlfriend.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 07:25:37 pm
@jota, you hate playing fairly, we understand it, u got your chance to play a game fairly and u got a FFL for it. Try next time but stop posting like an idiot.

Oh dear. Is this the same Dildo that was begging supra to play with him in this tournament? I'm sure we'll get a chance to play fairly against you in the playoffs, if you manage to make it there. We'll see how that one works out.  :P
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dusty on October 30, 2016, 07:50:29 pm
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Oh dear. Is this the same Dildo that was begging supra to play with him in this tournament?

You begged me to play with you, so I don't see how you try to use that against someone else  :o

Quote
Apparently using a sub is regarded as a scumbag move

Nope, but purposely not asking someone on your team to try and get a sub with better ping is pretty lame.

Quote
@Dusty, I left what I was doing to play and not to listen a baby crying about we are not going to play because we took a ringer.
The way you were trying to get the win without playing touched my balls and thats the reason of my comments. Because pussies dont deserve any respect, and it is funny to see how all your team wanted to play the match except you and you are not even captain of pubstar so we dont understand why you were even talking.

I could never imagine how a good player could use that "ringer rule" to get a defwin in a match that we all wanted to play, even your team, and everyone wanted to watch. Using that in a dead game in a cup without prize and in group stage its a shame.

I only can imagine that you did it because you have lot of free time and you take this game as something personal. Maybe you should care less about this game and leave the cave where you play, so you dont waste the time of all the people who was ready to play/watch this. I doubt if the scores of first map were different you wouldnt continue playing. If you planned to get the win like this we dont understand why you played first map. If admin is not here and u want to cry just wait for him and dont start the match.

But yes, rules are rules, we respect that, you can be proud of wining like this, we dont care, you can cover youself with the rules while you are hiding under your bed.


Okay, next time I'll just sit around for an hour til someone has to leave like you guys do vs azula. You wasted my and acer and everyone elses time by not bringing 4 people from your roster who are good to play.

The game couldn't mean less to me, but when people act like scum and try to pull lame shit like this, I'm not going to sit back and do nothing.



Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 07:55:54 pm
You begged me to play with you, so I don't see how you try to use that against someone else  :o

Nope, but purposely not asking someone on your team to try and get a sub with better ping is pretty lame.

Okay, next time I'll just sit around for an hour til someone has to leave like you guys do vs azula. You wasted my and acer and everyone elses time by not bringing 4 people from your roster who are good to play.

The game couldn't mean less to me, but when people act like scum and try to pull lame shit like this, I'm not going to sit back and do nothing.

Begged you? I requested that you answer whether you'd play so I can fill out the roster if you're going with someone else. Whether you played with us or not wasn't as important as you seem to think. Don't flatter yourself, You were the reason you team lost last tournament, So i wouldn't get too ahead of yourself with the delusions of self worth.

Ah Dusty the moral titan that L4D2 needs, Thank god you're here to ensure everything is in it's right place.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 07:57:01 pm
Dusty for President.

And yes Danne, I TOTALLY begged supra to let me play with him. That's completely true.

You're so upset about me pointing out you got a FFL cuz of you trying to pull a fast one on yet another team. Hilarious. You're cute as fuck m8.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 07:57:31 pm
Amazing
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 07:58:03 pm
Begged you? I requested that you answer whether you'd play so I can fill out the roster if you're going with someone else. Whether you played with us or not wasn't as important as you seem to think. Don't flatter yourself, You were the reason you team lost last tournament, So i wouldn't get too ahead of yourself with the delusions of self worth.

Ah Dusty the moral titan that L4D2 needs, Thank god you're here to ensure everything is in it's right place.

I mean seriously tho. He's the Hero we need. Otherwise people like you could pull faggoty things on the regular. Oh wait. You already do that xD
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 07:59:31 pm
I mean seriously tho. He's the Hero we need. Otherwise people like you could pull faggoty things on the regular. Oh wait. You already do that xD

Thankfully you won't have anything to fear in the future then! I'm sure you'll crush us the next time we play you, Show us who's boss Dildo.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 08:00:44 pm
I mean. Pretty sure I'm doing that right now on this thread.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Pariah on October 30, 2016, 08:12:07 pm
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Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 08:20:15 pm
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Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Jacob on October 30, 2016, 10:17:04 pm
i wish i had an opinion cuz this seems like a really fun thread
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 30, 2016, 11:25:53 pm
We all wish you had an opinion too Jacob. Cuz, we all love hearing the stupid shit that comes out of your mouth.


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Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Bravo on October 30, 2016, 11:37:40 pm
https://clips.twitch.tv/yesmrpresident/ColorfulEchidnaCorgiDerp
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: ap on October 31, 2016, 01:15:20 am
i guess at this point nobody really gives a fuck anymore but it would have been nice if people had just played the game like they signed up to do. this match overall was unimportant for two of the top teams that will face each other again in the finals so why not just play the game for fun? nobody likes ffws.

tbh this just seems like a shitty admin ruling and it feels like there is a retarded ruling in every single tournament. thug life will be added to aphelion's roster once the playoff stage of the cup has started and only then? is that even true? why not just add him immediately? makes no sense. why let a team claim a ffw for their opponents bringing a ringer instead of a 4th AFTER they start the match and complete an entire map? why ready up in the first place if you disallow the other team to use a ringer? both teams obviously want to win and both parties obviously think so shit of acer. one team would not play with him on ~180 ping and a player on the other team went for a ffw because he did not play lmao holy shit.

correct me if i'm wrong but besides being kinda shitty, aphelion didn't break any rules. they are allowed to use a a single ringer for whatever reason they wish, and their opponents can deny said ringer. but all 4 members of pub* readied up and played the game. that doesn't seem like denying the use of ringers to me.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: 3yebex on October 31, 2016, 01:30:00 am
Team Pubstar was disputing the ringer even before the match started. However Danne's team was being uncooperative and if anything provoking. Team Pubstar messaged Fig however he was AFK up until map 1 finished and he replied with his ruling. Whether you like it or not, there are rules put in place to help prevent anarchy and keep structure in an old ass meme game like this. If you don't like the rules, feel free to start your own tournament with only the "No Cheating" clause and see how many people you'll get to stream those matches. I sure as hell won't when both teams are free to spew shit at each other without fear of retribution.

Rules are rules. It's time to grow up, this isn't middle school.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 31, 2016, 02:09:30 am
Never thought in my life that I'd give Xbye a 'thank you' on this forum.

But, his head's in the right place on this one.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: High Cookie on October 31, 2016, 02:23:56 am
Can't you just settle this how we settle all our recent disputes.
An awkward rap battle that makes me wish I wasn't associated with this community.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Dyl Dough on October 31, 2016, 02:54:17 am
LOL
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: iamSun on October 31, 2016, 03:31:37 am
Quote from: danne
Begged you? I requested that you answer whether you'd play so I can fill out the roster if you're going with someone else. Whether you played with us or not wasn't as important as you seem to think. Don't flatter yourself, You were the reason you team lost last tournament, So i wouldn't get too ahead of yourself with the delusions of self worth.

Ah Dusty the moral titan that L4D2 needs, Thank god you're here to ensure everything is in it's right place.
This statement got me triggered pissed mad butthurt fucking.

Reason why HCP lost BOT was supra's and Bravo's terrible (comparably) tanks and questionable surviviors decisions. While purple and Dusty were carrying pretty flipping hard. Well, at least Dusty who was shotting down like everything up until this two previously mentioned guys fuck his team over again like when Bravo forgot to eat pills having HP for 2 punches and got insta incapped resulting in a wipe.

When added to each other this mistakes mattered a lot against such monster team like Serenity was.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: lastforone on October 31, 2016, 04:38:28 am
Hey i'm new here but this is interesting, so here's my post, call me names please..
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: ap on October 31, 2016, 08:36:11 am
Team Pubstar was disputing the ringer even before the match started. However Danne's team was being uncooperative and if anything provoking. Team Pubstar messaged Fig however he was AFK up until map 1 finished and he replied with his ruling. Whether you like it or not, there are rules put in place to help prevent anarchy and keep structure in an old ass meme game like this. If you don't like the rules, feel free to start your own tournament with only the "No Cheating" clause and see how many people you'll get to stream those matches. I sure as hell won't when both teams are free to spew shit at each other without fear of retribution.

Rules are rules. It's time to grow up, this isn't middle school.

the ringer clause in the rules is very clear. both teams must agree to use ringers, but dusty decided to ready up and play despite disagreeing with aphelion's ringer. who cares if fig is AFK? rules are rules, right? they could have screenshotted proof that danne's team was uncooperative and unwilling to play without their ringer and left the game. instead they began to play out the match and for what reason exactly...? in case fig allowed aphelion to use a ringer when pub* did not agree? does dusty think fig is such an incompetent retard that he wouldn't stick to his own rules? lol seems like it. apparently pub* will have to face off against the same four players later on in the tournament so really what was accomplished here? they will need to -actually- beat aphelion then in a match instead of receiving a ffw.

what's the point in even having written rules when you need to wait for fig's say on a matter? i don't disagree with dusty denying the use of a ringer but to start playing the game with said ringer just to call gg and leave the game is pretty fucking stupid imo. if you disagree with danne using a sub, then don't agree with him using a sub, right? i wanted soul's team to win but NotLikeThis
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: 3yebex on October 31, 2016, 08:59:53 am
what's the point in even having written rules when you need to wait for fig's say on a matter? i don't disagree with dusty denying the use of a ringer but to start playing the game with said ringer just to call gg and leave the game is pretty fucking stupid imo. if you disagree with danne using a sub, then don't agree with him using a sub, right? i wanted soul's team to win but NotLikeThis
Contray to popular belief, Fig is not a lawyer and there are loopholes in the written rules and certain vagueness.

When has anyone followed through with the rules without putting up some argument and then requiring a higher authority (Fig) to step in and say, "Fuck you. Follow the rules." ? Just because something is written plain as day doesn't mean people aren't going to argue it. I've already had someone try and convince me to stream their game if they played it on a Hyper-V server even though they clearly read me stating I won't ever stream on those servers.

The main thing to focus on here is not that it's scumbag that a team forced a FFW on map 2, but the fact that we couldn't get a decision soon enough that they didn't have to even play map 1 in the first place or for Aphelion to be forced to use their actual roster. I'm not blaming this on Fig, but rather the fact that we only have one decision maker in this tournament right now. Even previous tournaments had at least two decision makers readily available, poor Fig is completely alone here with me playing sidelines while streaming asking people not to stand on Kiosks.

TO RECAP: So the issues are the following: Players not acknowledging the clear as day rules and requiring a higher authority to step in and hold their hands because they can't stop being childish, and the glaring lack of higher authority readily available.

It's fine if people require an admin every now and then to settle a decision... but it almost seems like they're needed for every other match because people fail to follow the written rules.
Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Bravo on October 31, 2016, 10:02:29 am
This statement got me triggered pissed mad butthurt fucking.

Reason why HCP lost BOT was supra's and Bravo's terrible (comparably) tanks and questionable surviviors decisions. While purple and Dusty were carrying pretty flipping hard. Well, at least Dusty who was shotting down like everything up until this two previously mentioned guys fuck his team over again like when Bravo forgot to eat pills having HP for 2 punches and got insta incapped resulting in a wipe.

When added to each other this mistakes mattered a lot against such monster team like Serenity was.

I think you got the wrong tournament bud, but I apologize for my terrible tank that wiped srn =(
Title: Re: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: fig newtons on October 31, 2016, 10:37:49 am
When has anyone followed through with the rules without putting up some argument and then requiring a higher authority (Fig) to step in and say, "Fuck you. Follow the rules." ?
never

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Title: Re: Hot Mess Tournament Round 5 - Dead Center
Post by: Rails on October 31, 2016, 07:41:53 pm
Contray to popular belief, Fig is not a lawyer and there are loopholes in the written rules and certain vagueness.

When has anyone followed through with the rules without putting up some argument and then requiring a higher authority (Fig) to step in and say, "Fuck you. Follow the rules." ? Just because something is written plain as day doesn't mean people aren't going to argue it. I've already had someone try and convince me to stream their game if they played it on a Hyper-V server even though they clearly read me stating I won't ever stream on those servers.

The main thing to focus on here is not that it's scumbag that a team forced a FFW on map 2, but the fact that we couldn't get a decision soon enough that they didn't have to even play map 1 in the first place or for Aphelion to be forced to use their actual roster. I'm not blaming this on Fig, but rather the fact that we only have one decision maker in this tournament right now. Even previous tournaments had at least two decision makers readily available, poor Fig is completely alone here with me playing sidelines while streaming asking people not to stand on Kiosks.

TO RECAP: So the issues are the following: Players not acknowledging the clear as day rules and requiring a higher authority to step in and hold their hands because they can't stop being childish, and the glaring lack of higher authority readily available.

It's fine if people require an admin every now and then to settle a decision... but it almost seems like they're needed for every other match because people fail to follow the written rules.

I'd argue that, really, the problem is not a lack of higher authorities available, the problem is that we can't trust people with innumerable tournaments under their belts to not behave like children. In the past, the near constant availability and presence of some administrators has allowed for teams to challenge a lot of stuff; this was a way tournaments functioned, but it wasn't the best way. Alternatively, when admins have been completely hands off, tournaments have fallen apart. This tournament lands somewhere in the middle, and I'd wager the admin team shouldn't be expected to 'step in and hold the hands' of people who have, combined, between both teams, probably somewhere in the vicinity of 30,000 hours in this game. It's ludicrous.

Instead of trying to make the right call as per the objective rules, people are competitive, but they're competitive in a way that's childish, which bends the rules, and which, frankly, gets tiring to deal with when people who have been playing this game forever repeat the same old cycle of 'needing an adult'. The rules are, indeed, clear as day. Our job is to run a tournament, not teach people how to read, not to teach people how to remove their emotions from a competitive environment, not to teach people how to look at the mounds of disputes similar to the bullshit they keep repeating for precedent, not to waste our time having to sit on servers or lounge in streams of people who are now being forced to know better because they can't go and try to inflict an admin on every stupid dispute they have. If you find our lack of willingness to tolerate bullshit as not holding hands and being unavailable, well, that's your opinion, but its commonly understood that the people who are the best skillwise at this game also quite often tend to be some of the most immature and unprofessional individuals you'll run across in any 'competitive' setting, ever. Excuse us for running under the assumption that maybe after the upteenth tournament people would be able to negotiate like human beings and get a match played, but then again, some people can't even schedule a match properly, forcing us to amend the rules to include a section on scheduling, so I must've been expecting too much lmao.

News flash: it's the same people over, and over, and over again. A newer team in this tournament who has 0 comp experience but who acted like rational humans and didn't revert to middle school had a splendid tournament experience, followed the rules, followed the procedure, and got a good amount of experience out of the tournament ... as, I would argue, did a vast majority of the other teams who didn't need the admins attached to their hips to get 1) a match scheduled 2) a match played or 3) to follow the rules, which, as has been shown, are very clear after being used and executed since A-S-T fucking 2 in March 2014. This is not rocket science, and for the admins to demand that the people who have been in the game the most start acting in a more professional manner so that we don't have to waste our time is not a tough request.