Author Topic: Apollyon vs. TSSS  (Read 25080 times)

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2015, 08:09:54 am »
Watching that stream last night was like watching an episode of Maury, except instead of trying to figure out who the father was I was trying to figure out who actually won this tournament.  I've still got my money on Velvet Room, gotta wait for the DNA results.
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2015, 08:36:43 am »
It's not clear what Fig's 'feelings about Supra' are, or why they neccessitate Supra not playing. Supra has played the whole tournament with Apollyon.

It's odd that Fig is telling Apollyon that TSSS will be using a ringer, when that is contrary to the rules. As I recall, Fig citied an even pettier rule to award Apollyon a forfeit loss in the earlier stages.

It seems to me that Fig is being rather fast and loose with the rules with an obvious bias against Apollyon. I don't envy Fig the role of tournament leader, it seems a huge and largely thankless task, but I can't help but feel there has been a significant administrative **** up.

To end the tournament without a final would be a real shame. I think most people would like to see the final rescheduled. Let Supra play, let Hib play if Lucky can't, whatever, just play!
« Last Edit: April 19, 2015, 08:49:08 am by Ivan Ooze »

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2015, 09:07:20 am »
I don't see anything wrong with fig newton's admin decision. He didn't exactly put Appolyon into a stalemate, because they still had bAD to sub supra(which he did plenty of times during the Fresh cup) + I don't consider bAD to be any worse than supra. The tournament host is not *supposed* to justify their actions, but *may* choose to do so if they feel like it. And I have personally witnessed plenty of situations during my and someone else's cups where a team captain, despite being warned beforehand and even having agreed to imposed limitations, had still chosen to take an illegal / unallowed player for the match. This is just plain """""optimistic"""""" if you ask me. What takes it to the further level though is the fact that the offending party expects to be "understood and forgiven".

It is only fair to expect to be treated the way you treat someone yourself. No personal offense of mine to Grizz, but he literally didn't take the cup admin seriously. The cup admin in return did not bother taking him seriously either. Where is the injustice here?
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2015, 09:16:02 am »
i'm here to happily announce that i approve all the current and all upcoming decisions by fig. Spectacular summer to all of you <3
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2015, 09:27:49 am »
sorry I was on stream and I was only going off what people told me so I never got the full story =P

i'll update the post. not like it's odd for me to look stupid. i just didnt want ppl to be gone for a day and be like "wtf where is finals vod???"
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2015, 09:52:11 am »
If Fig had a good reason to ban Supra, then fine. But to allow TSSS to use a ringer, rulebook be damned, that's unjust.

Perhaps Apollyon felt that if TSSS can have a ringer then Supra should be allowed to play? I mean, if the rules are now being bent, why not? I'm just speculating, obviously.

The thing is, Apollyon were within their rights to refuse TSSS a ringer, and take the FFW that is rightfully theirs if TSSS cannot field a full listed team. So you can legitimately argue that Apollyon won the tournament.

Anyway, assuming no final will be played, it's going to stink, no matter who admin awards the crown to. Which is why I think the final should still be played regardless. Allow the teams to reach an agreement and make it happen.

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2015, 10:55:11 am »
it sucks that this was a finals match but the last thing hib said was true. anyone who has played with, against, or merely played a game where this kid is spectating turns into a hostile scenario not an enjoyable video game. its nice to see people like bad, grizz and now even chrome mike becoming less volatile but i dont think the day will ever come where enderzeit or his budy supra ever just shut up and play the game.

fig has made some tough decisions this tournament and i guarantee the only reason everyone's is actually defending supra for wasting anyone's time is because people expect fig to put up his own money in addition to all his time or allow trolls to hold his tournament hostage and ignore the rules completely. i haven't seen any of this but i can't say reading it surprises me. let me be the first to say props to fig for even picking it up here and running this tournament for whats left of this community
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2015, 11:17:30 am »
I fully approve of Figs decision.  Fig did bend the ringer rule but it was only for the sake of the tournament being played out and he did not only bend it for TSSS. Once Grizz and Fig started talking I was shown the converstion and it showed that Fig even told him "you have 15 minutes to find a ringer". I then even passed the conversation onto the casters so they could be aware of what would be happening and to just keep delaying.

Did Fig bend a rule? Yes. Did he do it for the sake of the tournament being played out? Yes. Did he do it for BOTH teams? Yes.

Fig saw what he was doing and made it an equal opportunity for both teams so for those saying Fig  let TSSS slip through a rule and broke Apollyons back over the same one, you're incorrect. Fig upheld the rules to a T and in the end was forced to bend them, but he made sure he did it in an equal manner for all those involved.

Just my 2 cents.

I should aslo add for everyone that was on the stream, I am deeply sorry for making you guys wait over an hour before really anything was casted. Hopefully, the game can still happen to some extent.
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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2015, 11:20:11 am »
I feel bad for flow being stripped of his title as "Head Producer of FFWs"  :'( :'(

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2015, 11:44:45 am »
Fig did bend the ringer rule but it was only for the sake of the tournament being played out and he did not only bend it for TSSS. Once Grizz and Fig started talking I was shown the converstion and it showed that Fig even told him "you have 15 minutes to find a ringer". I then even passed the conversation onto the casters so they could be aware of what would be happening and to just keep delaying.

Did Fig bend a rule? Yes. Did he do it for the sake of the tournament being played out? Yes. Did he do it for BOTH teams? Yes.

Since when giving a team time to find an alternative player considered bending rule?
It's not clear what Fig's 'feelings about Supra' are, or why they neccessitate Supra not playing. Supra has played the whole tournament with Apollyon.

It's odd that Fig is telling Apollyon that TSSS will be using a ringer, when that is contrary to the rules. As I recall, Fig citied an even pettier rule to award Apollyon a forfeit loss in the earlier stages.

It seems to me that Fig is being rather fast and loose with the rules with an obvious bias against Apollyon. I don't envy Fig the role of tournament leader, it seems a huge and largely thankless task, but I can't help but feel there has been a significant administrative **** up.

To end the tournament without a final would be a real shame. I think most people would like to see the final rescheduled. Let Supra play, let Hib play if Lucky can't, whatever, just play!
I couldn't have agreed with you more on this. We'll see if the match can be played today.
Also, Section 7: Unsportsmanlike conduct

Each participant is expected to hold themselves to a high standard of professional and courteous conduct toward others at all times. Abusive, harassing, disrespectful, or unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated -- neither during a tournament match nor in any other venue.

Penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct will typically include a forfeit loss (if during a live match) and player or team suspension from any number of future matches (per section 7.8).

When this was shown to fig, he stated its too late (according to grizz). The rule clearly said "neither during a tournament match nor in any other venue." So why wasn't this being confiscated since supra is also known for this type of things. If that was too late to take care of then I guess someone acting up in a match is too late too. Am i right?

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2015, 12:39:28 pm »
lol this is why I'm so done with love this community.

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2015, 12:40:07 pm »
Since when giving a team time to find an alternative player considered bending rule?

Since using any ringers is against the rules during the playoffs.

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2015, 12:47:40 pm »
Since using any ringers is against the rules during the playoffs.
Why would he break the rule so easily when we had 2 more players on the roster? Why can't he break the rule that caused supra to not play instead? The game would've been played right on the spot.

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2015, 12:56:40 pm »
In all serious,  whatver happened, happened.  In my eyes, fig is a fine admin.  He can choose to bend rules, ban, regulate, etc in his tournament.  I know it seems like alot of drama or unfair shit happens, but honestly just chill.  I play this game not for the fame, but cuz of the friends i've made over the years.

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Re: Apollyon vs. TSSS
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2015, 01:14:17 pm »
What a mess.
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