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General / Re: Hello everyone, I'm just thinking about hosting a tournament.
« on: September 02, 2019, 10:27:56 am »
This is just incase I've forgotten to post the link to the D2F group on the forums, this is our first tournament but there could potentially be more after. Thanks for your interest and viewings and support for our tournament, we very much appreciate the feedback and views that we do get for our tournament matches that are streamed, we've been averaging about 90-180 views per cup match, thanks again to everyone out there.

Link to D2F group -



Link to the steam group where rules will shortly be posted -

Oh and feel free to add me on steam for inquiries, be as brief as possible unless you're working with me as a consultant with experience/potential or tournament staff -

Hey whatsup l4dnation and hello my fellow l4d2 gamers. I've been thinking about l4d2 recently, just essentially feeling inspired. I noticed how dead it has gotten since Rail's departure, there just hasn't been any tournaments and I can't think of any other word to describe the l4d2 competitive state right now other than (banal).

 I mean, it's the same maps over and over being played on the same cfg, it's just a bit flat for my taste and I hope you share the same views as I do on the matter;). So I've just been trying to think and get creative with it to the best I can. It is kind of tough but if I can get some accommodations with some of the ideas I've come up with, maybe then we'll spark something new and cool, and exciting *crosses fingers*.

I'll try to be as clear as I possibly can and just lay out the goals in order of 1,2,3,4.... etc...

1. It'll be a double elimination tournament having 12-24 teams

2. The mandatory played configs will be Confogl,Promod,Zonemod, EQ preferrably but if it's not available acemod, Apex/retro. They will be selected 1 for each week of the tournament; unless being a finals/grandfinals match

3. this is where the line of what "skill" is becomes blurred, the goal is for teams to adapt and be forced to think instead of going through repetition and having the ability of easy prediction. - There will be a list of 3 campaigns to pick from (Selected by the admins for the week) of which both teams must agree to play on one of the three for their cup match, if they can't agree the admin will force select the map.

4. This will be an international cup, so there will be one away and one home server, very standard rules for a cupmatch; I'm counting on most people that read this post will have experience with this type of thing.

5. I just want to say thank you to the admins who have served this community, who are still serving and have been for a long time. I don't have any experience running a tournament, please if you could help me or give me some pointers on how to run one I'd be very grateful as this will be my first, I do confess my ignorance in this area and I do very much need guidance. Sir, Fig, Prodigysim others who might also have some helpful criticism or can help point me in the right direction I'd very much appreciate it. Again, thank you all so much in advance your service is most laudable.

Big Bear.

P.S. I have no idea how I'm going to be able to do this without Rails, he was a great caster. We have no hype for our tournament viewers.

I also need Sir to work with me since he owns most of the servers people play on, and he doesn't have the cfgs installed to them. So without those 2 this is going to be really rough, I can tell already.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 05, 2019, 12:06:49 pm »
Ah, I see my logical fallacy now. I favored Rail's judgment because I think he's a pretty good guy, and has stuck around as an admin in this community. so my gratitude and respect goes out to him. My critical thinking skills could use some work though. I think it's called an (appeal to flattery) that's the fallacy, I think... I've caught myself in a lie, sorry. I'm working on living a bit stronger and more piously everyday though  ;).

Anyway, I hope we can get some sound reasoning and get by these emotions and come to a better consensus, or we can just wait a little while, sadly so I believe this community is about to die. I believe it finally is on its last leg after 10 years. Cheers and for what it's worth, hopefully we can all live and be as truthful as possible, ciao.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 05, 2019, 11:14:19 am »
I can be unintelligibly eccentric on alot of topics, but honestly, remind me never to get into a meme war with Rails. As for Danne  hacking I'd like to remain agnostic on whether or not Danne's a cheater, I guess I'm not a good judge on the matter considering I have no experience with things relating to hacking. However, I think since it's Rail's tournament he should be able to decide on it's participants. I mean come on, he's been keeping this game's heart beating now for roughly 2 years I think. My goodness, I'm out of it today, I have a thumping headache. I'm gonna get some coffee, sorry for the grammar errors.

General / Re: Promod, [e]Freak and Upcoming Tournament
« on: November 11, 2017, 03:09:06 pm »
Friday, I'm sorry for being vague on my answers although they are about as honest to God as I can make them. There's no clear direction set for anything because I don't have the time for handling the logistics and organizing a community, meaning I don't exactly have much knowledge for a timeline given for the release of a CFG. Also my work/school conditions right now leave me always exhausted and never well rested. So if that's an excuse I may use, then I hope you can sympathize with, and I hope you understand where I'm coming from when making these posts.

There's no real motive as I said, I'm not concealing or trying to keep anything from you. It's just there's no real organized form pushing this CFG to be in the hands of anyone else right now. That's all it really is, nothing more nothing else. Best answer I can give is go talk to Jacob.

(As for the context of my previous post) -
"Meaning a huge forewarning or set time which is inbetween day/night of the two for the week is probably our given solution, obviously it's selfish to just remove or just make them play 1 game on a server with high ping, we would be practically banning 2 nations from competing and like I said, it's not at all wise because it doesn't address the counter effects of the choice to just ignore the faults of an equation or problem needed to be solved. It just becomes a self inflicted wound which none of us on this thread want."

That was related to Jay's idea of just forcing teams from Asia or AU to just play 1 game on a U.S./E.U. server without having the players from Asia/AU having a say so. So I was referring to a different idea to fix the problem we have with international scheduling, and it was to have teams forced to play at a time which would be reasonable for the two teams, just for certain regions to play 2 games on a day they would put aside to play. As in prior to the tournament even starting, it would just be understood that those types of games would be needed to play around predetermined timeline, removing the scheduling between the two teams and forcing them to play at the mandatory time.

Is that better? I hope it was at least a bit more clear.  ;D

General / Re: Promod, [e]Freak and Upcoming Tournament
« on: November 10, 2017, 11:32:00 am »
Hey whatsup Friday, um so the context for the word (exclusive) it just means a cfg meant to accommodate to or is being designed for teams, it's not in context to a super secret tree house community or club, it's just taking forever for Jacob to work on it I guess and polish it up.

Hi Arti, I like you guys from AU I remember playing against you guys in the CCT2 international. We almost lost to you guys on diescraper I think, it was the one where we had Hib on our team at the time. It was really intense and we almost got knocked out of the cup. So let me clarify this, so in theory right now we're not asking to merge directly with E-freak although it might not be a bad idea for the future. Um, I'm just talking about a prizepool in total through donation, it doesn't even have to be that much from each of us to make something big, and I don't want to throw anyone under the buss here. I was just making it clear we need an actual organized structure for donations and hosting. That's all I'm aiming at right now, and I want other to get on board with it. It's just theory crafting right now, hopefully it can be manifested in time, if not oh well. At least we can say for once we tried.

Hi World of noise, um regional qualifiers might not be such a good idea for the now anyway. L4d2 I think was made up of international players who were in their highschool days or early college days just to be alpha in a game, most of those teams and players are gone because IRL demands and responsibilities take away from time to play, so they're more or less adults now and we don't have enough skilled players to pick up the community to that extent for regional qualifiers, so let's just stick with reality and stay with it for now, but it's not a bad idea at all.

As for Falcon, I don't get the posts you make on political narratives. I don't follow politics, they're a waste of my thoughts and time, I have serious responsibilities to attend to and I'll allow the democrats and republicans to their own affairs. If I need to checkup on politics at least I have Ben Shapiro as an unbiased logical and comparative for good and evil done among them. If you have questions about the tournament I don't need to reply to them, because they're pretty much in line to what Arti asked. Ok? bye.

Oh P.S. Jay's idea about throwing the baby out with the bath water is probably a bit of a cop out, not saying he's stupid or that he has bad ideas and his points are invalid because they are valid, it's just the fact of not addressing a counter effect or considering consequence to actions taken, for example it'll effect other people negatively.

Which in short centering teams to 2 regions NA/EU is practical self interest and well being, that's not a good way to handling a problem. It's just a way to as I said "throwing the baby out with the bath water". So we just need a better way to force teams to play at a deadline for the cups, instead of just saying in short, (I'll deal with a problem or equation by just removing half of the numbers tied to it.) That line of reasoning is evading a problem and shortening the issue without thinking how to fix it, so my fix is we should aim to set a forced deadline which players would have to schedule around or forfeit to evade last second ringers.

Meaning a huge forewarning or set time which is inbetween day/night of the two for the week is probably our given solution, obviously it's selfish to just remove or just make them play 1 game on a server with high ping, we would be practically banning 2 nations from competing and like I said, it's not at all wise because it doesn't address the counter effects of the choice to just ignore the faults of an equation or problem needed to be solved. It just becomes a self inflicted wound which none of us on this thread want.

General / Re: Promod, [e]Freak and Upcoming Tournament
« on: November 09, 2017, 08:21:25 pm »
Ok so, this is what the intentions are for upcoming tournaments and how we can structure an actual international community; of course if the represented nation or region is willing to participate, and if they have an actual structured community instead of just random teams, right now as it stands the idea is we all set up or we you could just merge with E-freak, and make our own national community hub via steam and discord, go with a certain list of admins to represent the region and based on that community raise money to chip into an actual prize pool.

The only reason the prize pool was so high during kissme's tournament hosting wasn't due to direct sponsorship of a monolith gaming industry supplier, it was due to money gained through free will donations to see a large prize pool tournament hosted in l4d2, and it produced an amazing display of hyper aggressive skill based type of players from NA/EU scene.

So the problem we have right now is, we're trying to setup an actual community that works together to provide content, meaning right now there are only 2 regions that are keeping the pulse of this game alive by funding the servers and community for future tournaments, and they are NA/EU based, what I'm saying is if there is no funding from other regions then why should they get the money? or why should they get a say so? (if they do win the tournament of course.) It's a constant bleed from the wallets and money of those who've invested just to keep it going from those two regions alone, however if other nations invest, then the burden is split into multiple regions then there is less of a hassle and the load or or less evenly distributed, similar to how weights and balances operate.

The future of l4d2 for international tournaments relies on other communities in RU,AU,JP. It's just time for you guys to step up and work, or try to work with it if you want a say so. At least so we can get an understanding or a clear vision for a structured community, otherwise it just becomes parasitic for lack of a better term; don't jump at me for putting it like that please. But you can see where I'm coming from I hope.

Aside from what I posted above, I have no idea why Danne is a listed outcast. Out of anything that huge hackusation thing was a boost on that ego of his, it's just his skill being demonstrated by gained knowledge and an investment of quite a bit of his time and determination, I used to hackuse players from team nv- because they had better aim than me and understood that you could sometimes see shadows of SI come through walls in some areas of this broken game. It's just summed up in the word empiricism.

As for this Captain Falcon guy, I just have no idea what he's on about. It's like he's actually mirroring to himself his political dissatisfaction and pride of country, and yet he's acting like he's telling us (WHAT IS); (Sarcastic tone) - thank god for him, he's an internet wizard, I just wouldn't ever be able to live my life and strive to be someone better everyday without his truthful and meaningful insights.

I just don't get it why even say anything at all? It's hardly applicable or rational to context, It's like saying "I like peanut butter, can you roller skate? what's the price of beef in China? *Sigh*, at least try to be consistent in thought if you're going to make a post. The one thing he has right is, Sir is a real wit and does a good job in his work for CFGs, oh and also Nv- was a great team.

General / Re: Promod, [e]Freak and Upcoming Tournament
« on: October 31, 2017, 08:35:14 pm »
Hi Friday and also anyone else who reads this, I want to make this post as simple as it can be "I think therefore I am" - (Rene Descartes).

Ok so, the title (Promod: Elite) is rhetorical and should mirror to anyones mind what stem of thoughts exist behind the the title and why they are needed to be reimplemented, at least in realistic application to what competition is.
 The reason why we're bringing back promod, all the way down to its scoring system it's because we want to reimplement a system which challenges survivor teams directly, I don't even know why I have to explain this line of reason *sigh* but I guess I have to, so let's start with some reasons why and point out some flaws and also deduct the real issue which is, we're coming from 2 different lines of reasoning, I'm aiming to make this game hard and challenging by intent such being the nature of competition, (the strong rise above and challenge themselves also challenging others). You're aiming to bring equity and balance so everyone can play and make it to saferoom, which is exactly what is killing (competitive l4d2). It has been a crutch for weaker teams but stronger individual players for a while, it puts on a great outward hold W showing but that's about it - (Acemod)

1.(Health bonus)- provides a system of values in which teams can adapt and rotate to positions throughout the round provoking them to think about where they need to be and who they need to cover to win the round, bringing of course a forced unity for the outcome of the stronger and well ordered team. (counter effect)- the infected have to act and re-act as they also are being provoked to infiltrate the survivor team and attack the survivors that hold a higher value, this sets a constant draw on the infected and survivors to apply more thought rather than just throwing SI at others randomly, HB is a matter of wits more than it is about holding W, it's needed for teams to function and maintain interest, and also create a logical and self adapting structure of each and everyones team.

^ (Flaws of HB) However it could be "exploited" in times past by not having doors broken in 1 scratch, also by having deadstops on hunters and there not being quad caps. So we've worked on a couple of those flaws which should now help the SI out a bit, but terrible SI attacks have always been accompanied by just lazy minded people who couldn't understand how to be clever, so they just complained "the scoring system is broken." Then removed the needed attack/defense scoring system to define how teams are rewarded, then when the system of values of attack/defense were removed people just needed to confide in their own skills and that alone, because that's how you would win the meta of (Damage Bonus)/ (EQ/Acemod). (counter effect) well pretty much this is where things got really abstract because the SI necessity to be clever became chaotic almost entirely because there's minimal values to attack, so it became let's count down and dive into the other team, later it became blended with HB though I think.

2.Why is this CFG so hard? The entire design of the CFG (Promod:E) is to go against this idea of equity, (Acemod) - is a CFG that allows everyone to have fun and hold W throughout the map with little punishment for your mistakes, it allows players to function freely in and out around the map using buffed weapons and nerfed SI without ever feeling pressured for your failure or to succeed, it puts all individuals in control of their own dynamics and actions and teaches you to focus mostly on just yourself, I mean Acemod is the ideal CFG for chill easy going invidually skilled PUG players.

^Problem with Acemod is that it doesn't offer a challenge, it's essentially just all about chill and go with it. There's no clear direction it's practically just a haze to pass the time, that's why it's killing the competitive scene because it's not a CFG for competing.

Promod is about punishing you until you overcome that struggle and rise above it, the only way to rise above it though in its dynamics is by team effort and enacting as a unit. The stronger you work together the better the reward should be. If you don't work together you'll most always get wiped, because it's not just about you, it's about how everyone on your team works together to get through the tough demand on you and others skill, Promod is about challenging your true ability of teamwork and making those connections with people, even if sometimes you don't like them, just to get through the map and win to rub it in the other guys faces, that being the true nature of competition.

So suffice it to say I can write more and more, I need to sleep though. I'll be back on Friday and answer questions left, I hope there isn't any, because they are pretty much a waste of time, if you want to play a PUG CFG go play Acemod because it wont challenge you and it's much less stressful.

P.S. Jumprocks are still in promod because we had an idea to make a jumprock key. Needless to say it never happened, also to have a tank without jumprocks is quite dull, the same with bhops, the survivors would just hold W and/or eat a punch away from the tank, the tank doesn't have a way to control a survivor without it. As Luckylock said though there's a danger to scripting again with them being a factor *sigh* goodnight.

Confogl & Miscellaneous / Re: cfg
« on: December 10, 2016, 05:53:52 pm »
Best luck in maintaining the community, I truly hope for the best possible outcome.

Confogl & Miscellaneous / Re: cfg
« on: December 09, 2016, 11:38:25 pm »
 I don't know if this would mean anything, it took me roughly 40 mins to write out and about an hour to think prior to writing it. I'm pretty sure things are sorted for the most part in this discussion but I'd still just like to add to this for the sake of clarity.

General / Re: What music are you listening to?
« on: July 30, 2016, 11:05:38 pm »
This is my music playlist, I don't know if it'll help anyone. Given the didactics, I'd say starting at 116-129 is the crux. ;D

P.S. - 126 (The heart of the matter) in the playlist above is ideal for us young men.

Offtopic / RE: Education
« on: July 04, 2016, 08:14:56 pm »
(Classical Education)

Hey whatsup men/women on l4dnation, I thought this would be a good idea to create a place on these forums for education, I for a long time wasn't at all founded in this area given my past, as a result I started trying to catch up on a lot of what I thought I was missing out on, luckily I'm just a kid still and I started getting it together at the age of 21; then I realized that others didn't actually have what they thought they had obtained.

I want to say first and foremost schooling is not an education, you may think you know something but the truth of the matter is, most people don't know what they actually dare I say "understand" so they draw a conclusion without knowledge, this is where conflict does actually stem from, there's a few proverbs that do indeed confirm this.

(Proverbs 13:10 Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.)
(Proverbs 29:23 A man’s pride shall bring him low: but honor shall uphold the humble in spirit.)

So without further ado, below are a few podcasts that I came across, there's some interesting material that I hope may help a lot of you, I try to stay away from foolish occults and opinions so if I may inquire to keep this part of the forum very reasonable and kept far away from sedition -

My personal take on getting a proper education would be (Epistemology, Latin, Hebrew.)

Linguistics -

Nothing is really guaranteed, so you need to put some effort into what you want, this is for you guys out there who are just lost on what to do.

As for books you can search all you want throughout the entire world for self help, 11 billion dollars in 2008 was how much money people spent on self-improvement books. You will not find a better one than the Bible, do some research on it don't just believe me or anyone else, test its validity yourself.

(WARNING) - The writing above is not for people who think they have arrived, I do very much care for you but you're wasting your own time facing a worn out precedent. This is for people who are capable of intellectual honesty first with themselves then others.

P.S. - (The Bible for those that have a religious background or want an insight into psychology)

I have found no quarrel with the Bible but only the illiteracy found within fables spoken in churches, perhaps there is a misunderstanding. Examples - (Devil) = to slander, attack. (Satan) =  literally "one who throws (something) across" the path of another "plotter."In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role.

It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan.

My proof that the devil is indeed found in the details, It's nothing more than our own convictions,  we ourselves slander others and attempt to hold them down with us, why else would there be a reason for a conscience, when one can't feel anymore the compass of his/her soul they become psychotic, isn't that more concrete?

We create our own problems and blame others, we engineer the monsters, is it not quite simple?
Below you'll find a statement of choice, a recurring thing that will indeed fix or harm the victim, the victim being himself or herself can only be recovered when they are brought back to the ability of understanding they always have a choice, Just food for thought.

(Proof first by using etymology, and now by using the Bible, Isaiah 66:4)

I also will choose their delusions,
and will bring their fears upon them;
because when I called, none did answer;
when I spake, they did not hear:
but they did evil before mine eyes,
and chose that in which I delighted not.

General / Re: What music are you listening to?
« on: June 23, 2016, 09:26:24 pm »
Yo guys, I got on a little late with this one. Maybe this will help, this will be my last post. Go ahead and sub their channel if you want to keep up. ;D

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