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Competitive => Pro Mod => Topic started by: Jacob on January 18, 2016, 09:13:03 am

Title: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Jacob on January 18, 2016, 09:13:03 am
As some of you may know, I've been less involved in the development of pro mod for the past 6 months or so. I've been busy, but also been bombarded by bad news back to back over this time. It's been hard for me to stay motivated to get anything done, not even just talking about pro mod. I'm not here to rant about that though. I just wanted to let you guys know that I plan on making one last update. I know I've talked about stepping down before, and I've even done it a couple times (then come back 2 weeks later) but I've finally reached the point where I realize I need to finally step down. I'm just being selfish by wanting to keep my name on the project, while not creating any new content. It's not fair to the other people working on the config, or to the community.

I want a list of all the issues remaining in 4.5.2. I plan on fixing all of these issues, and finishing as many of the passion projects I had remaining for the config as I can. I will then release them in one final update in the near future. I will be looking for someone to continue working on the config if they want to, but my goal is to make a release that is good enough to justify being the final one if it does end up being that. And even if it isn't the final update, I want to put out an update good enough to leave the community with a good impression. I want to be remembered for the good stuff, not the times I've gotten in arguments with people, put out a buggy update, or rage quit. I want to apologize for all of that.

After I step down it's hard to say how much involvement I will have in the community. I will continue working on passion projects and probably post them as individual plugin releases on the forums when I finish them, but aside from that I really don't know how active I will be. Anyways, please post any issues you know about here so I can fix them. I don't want to rush this update, so I will probably not be releasing it before April. For the other people working on the config with me, I don't expect you to, or ask you to help me with this update. I'll take whatever help I can get, but this is my job to finish and I don't want to dump the work load onto other people as I have in the last couple updates. When I make my final release I will probably write up a short little blog thanking everyone and whatnot.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: ninja on January 18, 2016, 12:22:56 pm
Bring back 3.2
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on January 18, 2016, 06:17:58 pm
silent jockey
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: High Cookie on January 18, 2016, 09:25:42 pm
Jacob thanks for your work and letting me try my hand at it.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: ZerOxShadows on January 18, 2016, 10:27:54 pm
RIP
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: K0range4 on January 19, 2016, 02:30:47 pm
I believe primary weapons are still being punched out of survivor hands by the tank. Once the gun has been punched away it cannot be picked up again. It seems to happen when they are punched with a melee weapon out. It doesn't happen all the time, but I've seen it maybe four or five times in the past few weeks.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Jacob on January 19, 2016, 02:41:53 pm
I believe primary weapons are still being punched out of survivor hands by the tank. Once the gun has been punched away it cannot be picked up again. It seems to happen when they are punched with a melee weapon out. It doesn't happen all the time, but I've seen it maybe four or five times in the past few weeks.

this must be on 4.4 because we removed that plugin in 4.5
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: 3yebex on January 19, 2016, 06:13:14 pm
this must be on 4.4 because we removed that plugin in 4.5
Probably your biggest problem right now Jacob is that (mostly) everyone downgraded back due to 4.5 being unstable. I don't think anyone here is willing to upgrade their servers to it and start bug testing with PUGs for you now, it's a bit late.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: ika on January 19, 2016, 06:43:44 pm
Probably your biggest problem right now Jacob is that (mostly) everyone downgraded back due to 4.5 being unstable. I don't think anyone here is willing to upgrade their servers to it and start bug testing with PUGs for you now, it's a bit late.

False. I don't think any servers currently have 4.5.2 running, but this weekend we'll put up a 4.5.2 test server. Maybe we can get a few pugs going in the name of science  :D.

In the future, I'm really hoping that you guys would be willing to release a test release of new versions of configs so that we don't end up reverting back to a previous version 2-3 times when problems arise. Or possibly gathering a group of people who are willing to help test before release. I know personally that I could definitely grab a group of people to play with some of you developer guys to try to find some of the problems that don't arise when you're solo testing before it gets released.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Slay on January 19, 2016, 06:56:06 pm
In my servers with pmod 4.5.2 if someone throw a molotov to the tank, he stay onfire until he died (the fire damage its really op like vanilla) and also the 3rd pass burned tank, he dies really fast too, it seems fire in pm 4.5.2 its really op, so i downgraded this two plugins (si_fire_inmunnity.smx and l4d_tank_control.smx) to his 4.4.2 versión and now everything its working great.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on January 19, 2016, 07:45:08 pm
Tank uppercut getting survivors stuck in the ceiling
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: 3yebex on January 19, 2016, 08:23:00 pm
Tank uppercut getting survivors stuck in the ceiling
How the hell is the Tank doing uppercut? This was fixed by Valve a few years ago by making player-zombie Tanks only do right-hooks in versus mode.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on January 19, 2016, 09:02:55 pm
Uppercut is an artistic license I guess. It's when a survivor jumps while getting punched and gets stuck.

The change you're thinking of was added to promod by circlesquared to prevent tank punching survivors/hittables with his back turned. I didn't know valve rolled it out to vanilla as well.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: 3yebex on January 19, 2016, 11:48:08 pm
Uppercut is an artistic license I guess. It's when a survivor jumps while getting punched and gets stuck.

The change you're thinking of was added to promod by circlesquared to prevent tank punching survivors/hittables with his back turned. I didn't know valve rolled it out to vanilla as well.
No, the change circlesquare did affected the hitboxes of the tank's punches (I believe). Valve went a bit lazy, and instead of solving the issue just made it so that all PZ Tank punches were right-hooks always. Circlesquared's fix still allowed for any 3 random punches, just attempted to fix the hitboxes.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Visor on January 20, 2016, 05:32:27 am
I'm ready to fix everything that needs to be fixed with promod(perhaps not the way you'd expect me to). I'm not interested in taking over, but I don't mind releasing just one, first and final version of my own, one that would illustrate my vision of competitive promod. No, it wouldn't be a renamed EQ, but it would be a config that is very competitive and disregards all prejudices, such as "well can't use this feature since it would make promod so much like EQ!". Most importantly, it would be absolutely bugless day zero and require no patches.

If jacob likes my offer, he doesn't have to bother working on the last version anymore. His enthusiasm is obviously nowhere to be seen. Doing something because you enjoy it and doing it because you're tortured by leftovers of the responsibility you once had are two different things, which also lead to two wildly different results. But keep in mind that if you accept my offer, for that one final version that I have in mind, I will promote my own opinion in terms of what's best for promod to the highest rank, and may or may not take into account what others think. At the end of the day, the choice between promod 3.2/4.4/xxx is always up to the server admins.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: NF on January 20, 2016, 05:58:21 am
I'm ready to fix everything that needs to be fixed with promod(perhaps not the way you'd expect me to). I'm not interested in taking over, but I don't mind releasing just one, first and final version of my own, one that would illustrate my vision of competitive promod. No, it wouldn't be a renamed EQ, but it would be a config that is very competitive and disregards all prejudices, such as "well can't use this feature since it would make promod so much like EQ!". Most importantly, it would be absolutely bugless day zero and require no patches.

If jacob likes my offer, he doesn't have to bother working on the last version anymore. His enthusiasm is obviously nowhere to be seen. Doing something because you enjoy it and doing it because you're tortured by leftovers of the responsibility you once had are two different things, which also lead to two wildly different results. But keep in mind that if you accept my offer, for that one final version that I have in mind, I will promote my own opinion in terms of what's best for promod to the highest rank, and may or may not take into account what others think. At the end of the day, the choice between promod 3.2/4.4/xxx is always up to the server admins.

Nah I think we're good, stick with EQ fam.

Not speaking for Jacob though.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Visor on January 20, 2016, 06:34:13 am
I would, but EQ is a finished product and, from where I'm standing, there's nothing to stick to anymore.

I won't derail this thread, but I'll just say: don't be scared of changes.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: hib on January 20, 2016, 12:34:09 pm
I would, but EQ is a finished product and, from where I'm standing, there's nothing to stick to anymore.

I won't derail this thread, but I'll just say: don't be scared of changes.

Why don't you present the ideas instead of offering a quick-fix/final fix?
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Visor on January 20, 2016, 12:45:09 pm
It's a surprise, and no point in spoiling it if jacob refuses.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: strikingserenity on January 20, 2016, 03:14:50 pm
It's a surprise, and no point in spoiling it if jacob refuses.
Removal of bunnyhopping isn't a surprise.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Dusty on January 20, 2016, 05:34:22 pm
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Most importantly, it would be absolutely bugless day zero and require no patches.

EQ 3.0c still has the hittable glitch where survivors don't die, so Idk about that.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Visor on January 20, 2016, 06:02:11 pm
No, actually it doesn't. Whatever server you've played on did not have 3.0c installed fully and/or properly.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on January 20, 2016, 06:15:54 pm
If it's the changelog I saw like a year(?) ago, then it would be a big surprise indeed. I'd love to see it released as a fork of promod but it shouldn't be called Promod nor EQ.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: High Cookie on January 20, 2016, 09:33:52 pm
It will become another config American pugs dodge
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Moscow on January 20, 2016, 11:27:07 pm
Skeets often don't get printed to chat.

The key that's supposed to move you to the farthest-forward survivor doesn't work. It just takes you to a random one.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Dusty on January 21, 2016, 05:07:19 am
Happened on dustins confogl server, and some european server that I can't remember at the moment, The only two times I have played on eq.3.0c It happened so I figured it must have just been a bug in EQ still.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: NF on January 21, 2016, 05:14:25 am
If it's the changelog I saw like a year(?) ago, then it would be a big surprise indeed. I'd love to see it released as a fork of promod but it shouldn't be called Promod nor EQ.

That was already released, it was called Redtown.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: dustin on January 22, 2016, 12:03:08 pm
Happened on dustins confogl server, and some european server that I can't remember at the moment, The only two times I have played on eq.3.0c It happened so I figured it must have just been a bug in EQ still.

fixed
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Visor on January 22, 2016, 12:19:42 pm
I advice all server admins to use Sourcemod 1.6.4 to avoid any issues with EQ3(and perhaps Promod as well).
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Moscow on January 24, 2016, 01:10:18 am
http://i.imgur.com/uksGSgL.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/uksGSgL.jpg)

Impossible to reach pills.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: ninja on January 24, 2016, 04:07:55 am
I advice all server admins to use Sourcemod 1.6.4 to avoid any issues with EQ3(and perhaps Promod as well).
All servers owners pls change source mod in order for eq to run correctly

˙͜>˙
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Rails on January 24, 2016, 05:31:31 pm
All servers owners pls change source mod in order for eq to run correctly

All server owners, if you want Promod to run correctly ... whoever the first person is to get Promod to run with the same kind of stability as EQ gets the RBT2 title.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on January 25, 2016, 06:14:39 pm
I'll endorse that!
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Blakee on February 04, 2016, 04:59:29 pm
this happened randomly, no idea if it's repeatable, but spit worked in the hard rain 3 elevator and both teams took a fuckton of damage. no idea why, but figured i'd post it
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: estoopi on February 05, 2016, 08:01:17 am
There has many funky things with props in the recent version(s) of promod.

1. Some windows aren't breakable by infected and I feel like they used to be. (beginning safe room area Hard Rain map 2).
2. Event doors are breakable, allowing survivors to bypass events
- Dead Center Map 3
- Arena of the Dead 2 Map 1
- No Mercy Map 3
 (probably more)

I have a feeling that this stuff started happening around the time physics props were set to static during readyup.  I have a feeling there is a a global find/replace going on that is messing with doors, windows, other various props that is making them act unexpectedly.

It could be all in my head though. ... Windows aren't actually props so I don't know what the deal is there.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: NF on February 05, 2016, 08:46:14 am
There has many funky things with props in the recent version(s) of promod.

1. Some windows aren't breakable by infected and I feel like they used to be. (beginning safe room area Hard Rain map 2).
2. Event doors are breakable, allowing survivors to bypass events
- Dead Center Map 3
- Arena of the Dead 2 Map 1
- No Mercy Map 3
 (probably more)

I have a feeling that this stuff started happening around the time physics props were set to static during readyup.  I have a feeling there is a a global find/replace going on that is messing with doors, windows, other various props that is making them act unexpectedly.

It could be all in my head though. ... Windows aren't actually props so I don't know what the deal is there.

What Promod version was the server running? Perhaps it was outdated. 4.4.2 should have fixed this.

>Changelog:
>- Fixed some unbreakable doors becoming breakable on round start.

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It could be all in my head though. ... Windows aren't actually props so I don't know what the deal is there.

Windows are props.
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: estoopi on February 05, 2016, 09:08:09 am
Windows are props.

Nevermind. Promod is doomed.

Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Kekkeri on February 28, 2016, 05:03:14 pm
Tank punched survivor when he jumped :/ Open Road map 4.

http://puu.sh/np1rR/1f5c56b1f2.jpg (http://puu.sh/np1rR/1f5c56b1f2.jpg)
http://puu.sh/np1sx/f6cd4f3ed8.jpg (http://puu.sh/np1sx/f6cd4f3ed8.jpg)
http://puu.sh/np1tg/6fe28bb318.jpg (http://puu.sh/np1tg/6fe28bb318.jpg)
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: fig newtons on February 29, 2016, 06:00:51 pm
Fix the issues with burning tank and re-introduce 3rd pass fire tank
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: Jacob on April 14, 2016, 12:56:32 am
been busy but putting out an update with a bunch of fixes this week. it will probably be the final release and i will leave it up to you guys what you want to play. pro mod is not going to "turn into eq" in this update, any old changelogs you saw are outdated. thanks for being patient!
Title: Re: I need a list of all issues in the current version of Pro Mod
Post by: hib on April 14, 2016, 03:48:35 am
Jacob, if you could read this, I'd appreciate it. It explains what I see as a competitive config. Not sure if you agree with me but I'd probably look into making it to a config.


https://www.l4dnation.com/confogl-and-other-configs/what-do-you-dislike-about-acemod-and-why/msg46881/#msg46881 (https://www.l4dnation.com/confogl-and-other-configs/what-do-you-dislike-about-acemod-and-why/msg46881/#msg46881)