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[VOD] Bitches in Cameltoe cup finals. Opinions
« on: June 12, 2015, 02:54:36 am »
For anyone who missed it(first 28 minutes are muted by twitch due to copyright)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVd7hvrmcA0

The best part starts at the beginning of map 5.
$10 says you aren't anywhere near a controlling position of the L4D3 scene in any continent when it happens.

Thing is he does what he wants, cause his able to and we are letting him do that. He abuses hes place and power in this community and people like me get banned for no reason. Only thing visor wants is more and more control so he can do what ever he wants.

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 03:44:06 am »
Dragon and his fucking 5$ mic
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 06:14:49 am »
I think it's pretty obvious team Nameless Female grabbed the opportunity with both hands and decided to count it legit and protect it with all they've got, not only is this really sad, it's super cheap and very unsporting. The crash was obvious and the Tank rushed for the hit as soon as she could.
If they played fairly, then they would've still benefited from it as the Tank made it to the tent without taking further chip

I'm very certain team Nameless Female would've cried pretty darn hard if the crash happened to them, even though I'm pretty sure that Fast&Serious would've been sporting enough to not attack the crashed player.

On the other hand, I have to say that there should've been another admin present that should've dealt with the whole situation, rather than what happened now. Would've been a lot more professional.

TLDR; Russians not helping their image, aka Russians being Russians. Adminning could have been more professional.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 06:20:05 am »
Dragon and his fucking 5$ mic

Touché. And on that subject, thank you for recommending the 5$ mic to me!  8)

(Skip to TL;DR section at the bottom if this post is too long for your eyes)

Before people in the background start taking the shit-stirring up another notch or two, it was my decision as the acting admin of that match to enforce the restart. Nameless' tank got a free incap from Chii who crashed. The very least that would be expected of any team possessing some level of sportsmanship would be to offer a restart in such a scenario.

Contrary to what Nameless believed, an administrative decision like this does NOT require the consent of one or both teams. Chii crashed, she and her team wanted the restart initially and then was so frustrated that she just wanted to play on, but as she was playing in the match, it was not her decision to make as it would be a conflict of interests on her part. The incident and Chii's participation in this match fall under the categories of these three rules which are the first three ones listed here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vaginasplease/discussions/0/618459109263964612/

- Chii and myself (Dragon) are your admins for this tournament. Contact either one/both of us if you have any questions or disputes.

- We reserve the right to make any changes to the tournament rules or format that we deem necessary, as well as making decisions we feel are appropriate regarding unforeseen circumstances or suspicious scenarios that occur during tournament matches.

- If available at the time, I will act as the sole admin in the event that Chii is competing in a tournament match, as to provide impartiality and avoid conflict of interests.


These rules were written before the tournament went live. The incident where Chii crashed and invi's tank incapped a stationary Ellis falls under "unforeseen circumstances", thus we (or I in this instance) reserve the right to make a judgement call that is deemed necessary. And because Chii is the captain for F&S, as per the rules, it fell on me to make the necessary decisions alone. I ordered the restart. Because the server was MLG Shack, I didn't have admin access on it, but both ika and Chii do, so I passed on the command and the forced restart happened.

After the first restart, Nameless then thought they had to give invi the tank (as she had it in the incidental tank fight previously), so they made it go AI several times of their own accord, when they didn't need to. It was the finale, they had all played at least 1 tank each in the previous 4 maps. It was a huge error of their own making, (which technically according to their own logic, wasn't the other team's problem but somehow this in their minds DID warrant a restart in comparison to a survivor crashing and profiting from it with a free incap!).

I said to them in all-chat not to spec out this time, but they still did it anyway, and then tried to blame F&S for shooting their tank when they were repeating the same mistake in trying to give invi a tank she didn't have to play. They were warned that there wouldn't be a restart if they repeated the same mistake, but that didn't stop them from tripping over themselves again, so the match continued on.

After the match, Smile said that apparently, tanks profiting from survivors who have crashed is a normal thing in Russian competition. She was unable to understand the basic concept that she and her team were not playing in a Russian-based competition, that there's a great possibility that rules and etiquette might actually be perceived differently on an international scale, especially as the majority of the competing teams are based in North America. She and her team still claim that the decision to restart was unfair, despite myself and Chii fully explaining to them why it's not considered fair to hit a crashed survivor and then continue to incap a bot before the player could rejoin her team after the unpause.

Smile even demanded a full rematch on the NA server (yes, all the way from 1-5) but myself and Chii both know that isn't necessary. They still had a game to play on the EU server but clearly frustrated about not getting things all their way, Nameless have said they've decided to withdraw from the tournament. I personally think that's a huge mistake to forfeit on the basis of not being able to keep an unfair advantage, when not only was it the obvious decision to make but almost everyone watching the stream at the time concurred that the restart was the right thing to do as well (unless there were Nameless supporters in the stream chat who said differently, I didn't see when I browsed it).

Unless they change their minds and decide to play the return game, Nameless won't be featuring at all in the concluding part of this tournament. Chii and I will decide what to do next and how to proceed with the remaining two teams, however this incident isn't actually over as there are still one or two matters brought to our attention in the wake of last night's match which require further investigation and cannot be publicly disclosed at this time.


TL;DR - Chii crashed during finale intro tank, invi's tank punched and incapped Chii's bot before she could rejoin after unpause and gaining a free incap, it was my decision to restart, Nameless thought restart required their consent, Nameless then sent their tank AI several times to give their original intro tank back to the player who punched Chii when she crashed, they restarted again, they tried giving the tank back to invi again despite being told not to do that, Nameless blame F&A for shooting the tank when they were trying to swap the intro tank between players when they didn't need to and were told not to and after all of that, me and Chii are "shitty admins" for not allowing teams to keep unfair advantages and for not condoning unsportsmanlike behaviour. Good times!
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 06:22:59 am by Dragon »

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Re: [VOD] Bitches in Cameltoe cup finals. Opinions
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 08:04:33 am »
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 09:34:04 am »
One thing that hasn't really been mentioned is the fact that these Russian teams are at a huge advantage playing as premade teams in tournament where every other team was picked in the same draft style as the TFPG pugs. So while they consistently play at a huge advantage, it's kind of pathetic to attempt to take it a step further and babby rage over something that for most people is an easy decision to restart.

Dragon is clearly a man with honor who has made every effort to make things fair to everyone. These Russian grills clearly have no manners, sportsmanship or any sort of sense of comradery. If they rage quit the tournament, nothing of value will be lost.

P.S To any dorks out there spreading untruths, I was the one who restarted the map after Dragon told me to. Chii didn't make any sort of ~admin decisions~ during the match. The rules pretty clearly state that any game that Chii is in, Dragon acts as sole admin.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2015, 10:34:45 am by ika »

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 10:23:18 am »
This whole situation could have been avoided if Nameless Female accepted the restart vote but nooo. This is unacceptable behaviour, they just were mad because they were losing and wanted to take advance of the whole crash situation. When Chii wanted to continue after Nameless Female refused to restart, I refused to ready up. I refuse to tolerate such bad sportsmanship, bratty and immature behaviour, luckily Dragon stepped in and took control of the situation.  A part of me believes they do not deserve a rematch, but F&S will gladly rematch them and beat them once more.

What pissed me off the most was the rude comments made towards Chii and Dragon, uncalled for.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 10:59:02 am »
Haha, I could easily 1v4 these scrubs while being afk.

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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 11:11:18 am »
Happy 777th post, Kirra :3

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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2015, 02:32:32 pm »
Happy 777th post, Kirra :3

Oh shit, legendary status!

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Re: [VOD] Bitches in Cameltoe cup finals. Opinions
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2015, 02:49:58 pm »
At Chii's request while she goes to break the news to Smile about the verdict, I can now confirm that Team Nameless Female used a male player (Caryman) to smurf for them, breaking essentially two rules which either one on their own would result in an automatic disqualification. With Team Nameless now disqualified, 3rd place will be awarded to Team Duty. Here is the evidence from the MLG server logs retrieved from last night's match, which were compared to a known Russian database that lists Caryman's IPs and accounts:

L 06/11/2015 - 10:00:42: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 10:01:45: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 10:31:20: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 10:49:57: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 11:12:09: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 11:25:55: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 11:38:10: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
L 06/11/2015 - 11:42:02: [sm_allinfo_v2.1.1.smx] .:[Name: [N♀] invi  STEAMID: STEAM_1:0:36289743  IP: 2.92.167.80]:.
22:22 - ika くコ:彡 #w0rk: the time isn't right
22:22 - ika くコ:彡 #w0rk: but those a re all entries from yesterday
22:25 - √isor: yes
22:25 - √isor: that's caryman
20:26 - Dragon: alright
20:26 - √isor: if you are curious
20:26 - Dragon: I'm fine to copy-paste all of that onto the thread
20:26 - √isor: that is a moscow ip
20:26 - √isor: and invi is from st.p.
20:26 - √isor: and that ip matches what caryman uses
20:44 - √isor: worth noting is that caryman is not denying it in public and invi jsut admitted it in a private convo
20:44 - √isor: with deadsilence admin
20:45 - √isor: she motivated it with the fact that she has no internet and chii refused to play earlier that week when she still had it

This explains a lot and confirms suspicions that some keen viewers of last night's stream had in regards to invi. Seeing as Caryman had control of the tank that incapacitated Chii when she crashed and then was the one that the girls tried to frantically spec out to pass the tank to despite being instructed not to, there's really nothing more to be said on the matter.

Team Nameless broke the sort of rules that merits a disqualification and the evidence confirms they knew exactly what they were doing all along. Insulting the opposing team and accusing Chii of abusing her adminship to win her own tournament, while effectively trying to cheat and blatantly gain unfair advantages, is to champion hypocrisy to extraordinary levels.


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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2015, 02:52:06 pm »
LOL. No wonder they were so desperate for the Invi tank. Nice try fuckboy Russian nerds.

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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2015, 03:05:49 pm »
AYEEEEE LAMAYOOOOOOOOOOOO

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2015, 03:13:07 pm »
Russians really are good for nothing scumbags, Time and time again they pull shit like this and for some reason people still continue to be surprised.

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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2015, 03:23:13 pm »
I'm sick of seeing how toxic and infant people in this community can be. I've only seen once when one of the bitching players actually decided that he can do a cup better than anyone else. He ended up "subbing" a friend with a smurf on his own cup. That was probably one of the hugest fuck ups an admin can do. Obviously he never admitted that he did anything wrong and didn't judge himself, but his humiliated reputation is going to stick to him forever now. The biggest shit talker turned out to be the worst possible admin, worse than all the other combined. I'm talking about the infamous Caryman from the russian and european communities. That's the real type type of cup admin that should be bashed and exiled.
$10 says you aren't anywhere near a controlling position of the L4D3 scene in any continent when it happens.

Thing is he does what he wants, cause his able to and we are letting him do that. He abuses hes place and power in this community and people like me get banned for no reason. Only thing visor wants is more and more control so he can do what ever he wants.

 

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