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So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« on: August 14, 2016, 12:30:55 pm »
I remember it being posted about sometime back when the Hard Rain Redux was first released.

I haven't seen anything about it in a long time. Tried to look around to see if anyone has mentioned it recently. I assume the devs are a bit busy or they scrapped the project because of real life or lack of L4D2 interest or its just a slow process like those who keep waiting for Turtle Rock devs to release files to them in hopes of rebooting L4D1 as L4D Zero.

All I can say is. If its still in development. As long as the tank stuck suicide shit on the Carnival finale is fixed for coop modes in mind. I'd call it a victory.
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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2016, 10:22:58 pm »
I stopped working on it because it became too big of a project to finish on my own. Whereas Hard Rain Downpour was more of a slightly modified Hard Rain, I wanted to make it more of a true remake of the Dark Carnival campaign from start to finish, adding a lot of brand new areas rather than simply re-arranging old areas. If someone else who is skilled in mapmaking and is dedicated to it wants to help, it could be finished. I still have the files on my hard drive. Zeon was originally going to help, but idk if he's still interested.

I also created a new Swamp Fever map and a Parish map that I never released. Both had new areas too, but it wasn't enough for a full campaign. I was debating making a "remake campaign" / sampler map where it would have the new Parish and Swamp maps (completed), a new Dark Carnival themed map, and probably a map pulled from Hard Rain Downpour to constitute a full 5 map campaign, but never got around to it.

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2016, 07:35:31 am »
Ah I see.

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2016, 04:54:04 am »
Since some people have asked, here are some pics of the maps.

http://imgur.com/a/7gPCd

I probably would have remade some of these areas further, looking back some of them are kinda bad. The Swamp Fever / Parish maps are uncompiled so the lighting is fullbright.
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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2016, 07:59:25 am »
Those look pretty neat.

For those interested. This is still a work in progress.

There is a fella who wasn't entirely happy with the Beta Parish released a few years back by another author, as it was a mixed reaction, the all too dark lighting and heavy changes turned some of the community away from it. So he's decided to do a more faithful, daytime version of the map. So there will yet another version of the Parish out there to go with vanilla Parish, Dark Parish and the other Beta Parish. This one simply called The Waterfront.

https://plus.google.com/114819112407699159367/posts/F6KDhiFRNZY
https://plus.google.com/collection/sORWTB

Off the top of my head features

1. The original c5m1_waterfront_sndscape restored and not altered.
2. Map 3 has a new end saferoom to match that of the L4D2 trailer
3. Map 2 will have a new cemetery/plus a new start based on files of what the map may have looked like in beta
4. Map 4 will have a new start based off the end Map 3 saferoom that changes up the dynamics of the finale, both in coop and vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCYxrnSyu30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQRiFmbLWYI
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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2016, 08:21:59 am »
Those look pretty neat.

For those interested. This is still a work in progress.

There is a fella who wasn't entirely happy with the Beta Parish released a few years back by another author, as it was a mixed reaction, the all too dark lighting and heavy changes turned some of the community away from it. So he's decided to do a more faithful, daytime version of the map. So there will yet another version of the Parish out there to go with vanilla Parish, Dark Parish and the other Beta Parish. This one simply called The Waterfront.

https://plus.google.com/114819112407699159367/posts/F6KDhiFRNZY
https://plus.google.com/collection/sORWTB

Off the top of my head features

1. The original c5m1_waterfront_sndscape restored and not altered.
2. Map 3 has a new end saferoom to match that of the L4D2 trailer
3. Map 2 will have a new cemetery/plus a new start based on files of what the map may have looked like in beta
4. Map 4 will have a new start based off the end Map 3 saferoom that changes up the dynamics of the finale, both in coop and vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCYxrnSyu30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQRiFmbLWYI

That's pretty neat. I too wasn't satisfied with the "dark" version. It looked just plain bad and didn't resemble the beta at all. This one looks to be more faithful.

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3. Map 2 will have a new cemetery/plus a new start based on files of what the map may have looked like in beta

Ha, I actually did the same exact thing with my parish map remake. I created a new cemetery as well. I'm trying to get in contact with the map maker now to see if he wants my files.

How'd you find out about this? Seems pretty obscure...

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2016, 07:53:31 pm »
That's pretty neat. I too wasn't satisfied with the "dark" version. It looked just plain bad and didn't resemble the beta at all. This one looks to be more faithful.

Ha, I actually did the same exact thing with my parish map remake. I created a new cemetery as well. I'm trying to get in contact with the map maker now to see if he wants my files.

How'd you find out about this? Seems pretty obscure...


I found out about his version because he was talking with the creator of the other Beta Parish on the page for it on the workshop, where he revealed his work on his version.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=214310074&searchtext=beta+parish

His version is still WIP, but its still accessible on the workshop via friends only. Once its completely finished, it will be released to the public.


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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2016, 01:40:29 am »
I found out about his version because he was talking with the creator of the other Beta Parish on the page for it on the workshop, where he revealed his work on his version.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=214310074&searchtext=beta+parish

His version is still WIP, but its still accessible on the workshop via friends only. Once its completely finished, it will be released to the public.


Good news: I've talked with the map creator, and given him my version of the partially completed Parish remake, and he will be using parts of it in his remake as well. Thanks for informing me of this Map 1, if I didn't know of this project my work would have gone to waste lol

As for his map, I've played it, and it does seem like a faithful work of the actual Beta Parish map using the Waterfront_Sndscape map file. Doesn't feel as detailed or polished as the real map, but that's intentional since it's called Beta Parish obviously. It's pretty good, I approve.

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2016, 01:50:27 am »
After playing Hard Rain: Downpour, I always wondered why the "remake" attempts weren't ever attempted on Maps that aren't frequently played. Swamp Fever and Blood Harvest are a couple that come to mind. Not saying that Hard Rain: Downpour wasn't fun or that these Dark Carny pictures don't look really cool either.

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2016, 07:49:05 am »
Good news: I've talked with the map creator, and given him my version of the partially completed Parish remake, and he will be using parts of it in his remake as well. Thanks for informing me of this Map 1, if I didn't know of this project my work would have gone to waste lol

As for his map, I've played it, and it does seem like a faithful work of the actual Beta Parish map using the Waterfront_Sndscape map file. Doesn't feel as detailed or polished as the real map, but that's intentional since it's called Beta Parish obviously. It's pretty good, I approve.

Good to hear.

I've always loved the look of the park in beta versus the vanilla version. With the pavement boardwalk and all that. That was one of the things I didn't like about the first Beta Parish by the other author. He removed it for some reason. Good to see this author has kept everything in tact from the beta map. Even added the old beta alarm in the trailer for the Ceda event.

After playing Hard Rain: Downpour, I always wondered why the "remake" attempts weren't ever attempted on Maps that aren't frequently played. Swamp Fever and Blood Harvest are a couple that come to mind. Not saying that Hard Rain: Downpour wasn't fun or that these Dark Carny pictures don't look really cool either.

I think its just a purist element, as with any community. For as much as people complained about the maps in vanilla or competitive. They are routine maps and sometimes changing routine can be good, sometimes bad. The point being, routine changes when you have to relearn the maps.

Off the top of my head, here's the laundry list of ports/remakes/vanilla of the same maps.

Dead Center
Dark Center - Same, except Night
Dead Center: 25 Years Later - Survival map, but looks great
Flood Center - Cancelled, but intended to be a water heavy Dead Center campaign with floods, I remember playing old builds
The Passing
Dark Carnival
Dark Carnival Remake cancelled by NF
Swamp Fever
Swamp Fever Remake cancelled by NF
Hard Rain
Hard Rain: Downpour
The Parish
Dark Parish - Many unlocked roofs, some alternate paths, actual crisp, polished night time settings, low weapon counts
Beta Parish by Someone - The sndscape map is too dark, some of the other changes I like, but its not as good as Dark Parish
Beta Parish by Mr Sanghelli - Talked about this already
Cold Stream
Cold Stream Night - Same, except Night

Now L4D1

No Mercy
No Mercy Apocalypse
No Mercy Day
No Mercy: 25 Years Later - Survival Map, but looks great
No Mercy Port before L4D2 No Mercy shipped with the Sacrifice
No Mercy Modified
Beta No Mercy and its various incarnations
Fairfield Fallen - Basically No Mercy, Death Toll, Crash Course and Last Stand combined into one mega campaign with changes
Death Toll
Death Toll Apocalypse
Death Toll port before the actual port
Clamtoll: A Death Toll Remake - Heavily changed Death Toll with new paths, new finale etc
Death Toll Modified
Dead Air
Dead Air Day
Dead Air Modified - Most noteworthy for changing the finale into a scavenge finale
Dead Air port before the actual port
Blood Harvest
Blood Harvest Apocalypse
Blood Harvest Modified - Escape in a helipad in the finale instead of a truck
Blood Harvest port before the actual port
Crash Course
Crash Course Day
Crash Course Apocalypse
Crash Course port before the actual port
Crash Course Modified - Noteworthy for making Crash Course a Hard Rain style 5 map campaign
The Sacrifice

And I don't recall totally, but I remember Canadarox, Icy Inferno or whomever doing some other ports around here before the L4D1 maps eventually came over.

But as we can see. The interest is/was there for more of the L4D1 maps than the L4D2 maps. Maybe its an issue of caring, maybe its nostalgia, maybe its dead game, life, who knows, etc.
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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2016, 08:28:51 am »
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After playing Hard Rain: Downpour, I always wondered why the "remake" attempts weren't ever attempted on Maps that aren't frequently played. Swamp Fever and Blood Harvest are a couple that come to mind. Not saying that Hard Rain: Downpour wasn't fun or that these Dark Carny pictures don't look really cool either.


Here's a Blood Harvest remake: (edit: also see map 1's list)

http://www.gamemaps.com/details/4375

It's not anything amazing though.

As for Swamp, I did that half-map remake, but at the end of the day, there's not really much else you can do with the Swamp environment that hasn't already been done. I guess you could create some new areas, but they likely would feel pretty similar (which may be a good thing too, depends on your taste)

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Off the top of my head, here's the laundry list of ports/remakes/vanilla of the same maps.


Here's a few more I can remember:

CSGO Remakes -- idk if this counts or not, but several L4D2 maps are remade/reskinned in CSGO. Swamp 1, Blood Harvest 5, Hard Rain 2 are some I can think of.
Blood Harvest Cool
Blood Harvest 3
Blood Harvest Extreme
Also some maps where you play them in reverse.

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I think its just a purist element, as with any community. For as much as people complained about the maps in vanilla or competitive. They are routine maps and sometimes changing routine can be good, sometimes bad. The point being, routine changes when you have to relearn the maps.


lol, I know this first hand... I did most of the prop additions to Promod/Acemod etc, and the amount of anger and confusion over the most minor changes is quite incredible. People will complain about lack of spawns one second, then complain about having to relearn Tank fights with a new spawn the next. Once players get used to a map or a set of variables, they don't like it to change even if it might be for the better in the long run. Nothing really bad about this per se... some players just like regularity, and mastering things as they are now, and don't want their old strategies to become obsolete. Mostly just comes down to your style of play.

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Re: So...is the Dark Carnival Remake still a thing?...
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2016, 05:19:02 pm »
I've released a single map demo of the Dark Carnival remake I created.

EDIT: [temporarily removed -- message me if you still want to try it!]

It's map 2, so when you go to select the custom campaign, make sure to select map 2 ("The Fairgrounds") from the dropdown list.

It's a 100% complete map, fully compatible with versus as well including infected ladders and whatnot. The map doesn't end automatically when you reach saferoom, so you might have to suicide to end it and switch sides.

Enjoy!
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