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Title: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Jacob on April 21, 2013, 07:30:34 am
So I have done a ton of thinking, and I think everyone who plays l4d2 still likes l4d1 somewhere deep down in their heart. I think what puts people off is that they don't want to go against the top l4d1 teams, with no melees, and get shit on. It just wouldn't be fun. So I have an idea. What if I ran a tourney with 2 leagues? 1 is the amateur (L4D2 Teams), and the other is the advanced (L4D1 Teams). Each league would play through a whole double elim tourney, and the winner of the Amateur league would play against the winner of the Advanced league. The winner of each league would receive a 1st place prize, but whoever won in the amateur vs advanced league final would win a bonus prize.

I could provide prizes, and maybe some other people would want to donate to the cause.
Opinions?


Current List Of People Who Would Make a Team (20 Needed):
Jacob
EZ
Nikeon
Bowflexin
Intel
Mads
Hoernchen
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: s on April 21, 2013, 09:59:09 am
I would try to get a L4D1 team going.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: nikeon on April 21, 2013, 11:59:02 am
Well the basic idea is cool since its allready up and running in EU and called L4Dleague.It had a preperation tournament in front and a group system tournament to decide who goes into what division in the end.

Main Problem is like always...Lack of Motivation,people cant hold deadlines or stick to any kind of rule....so it became uninteresting and boring.

I´d support and play it for sure with my team even if in US only if its organized properly and enough people showing some motivation to actually play instead of just signing up and forfeit after one loss...:)
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Jacob on April 21, 2013, 12:10:18 pm
Well the basic idea is cool since its allready up and running in EU and called L4Dleague.It had a preperation tournament in front and a group system tournament to decide who goes into what division in the end.

Main Problem is like always...Lack of Motivation,people cant hold deadlines or stick to any kind of rule....so it became uninteresting and boring.

I´d support and play it for sure with my team even if in US only if its organized properly and enough people showing some motivation to actually play instead of just signing up and forfeit after one loss...:)

I think a big part of the lack of motivation is that people don't want to play the top l4d1 teams and get stomped.
So let's do this. If you would play in this tournament (and can get a team together) post in this thread. I'm gunna make a list of potential teams, and if we hit 20 (regardless of if they are l4d2 or l4d1 players) I will run the tourney with prizes!
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: BRBBOWFLEXIN on April 21, 2013, 01:07:46 pm
I'm sure I could get the ole Ducatell Boyz rounded up for this
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Intel on April 21, 2013, 02:09:02 pm
I could put a team together :o
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: nikeon on April 21, 2013, 02:10:43 pm
My team in for sure
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: mads-wm3 on April 21, 2013, 02:48:25 pm
I could probably throw a team together, if I feel I have time for it, and I actullay do play...  :P
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 21, 2013, 05:40:40 pm
I am in and I could donate some €.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 21, 2013, 05:55:54 pm
The german L4D2 Team from nikeOn started L4D just for our EU L4League and they are in the 1. Division good teams from L4D2 don't need to play in the amateur league there is no active "top" team active anymore in L4D1 just make a big Cup with a nice price maybe?
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Jacob on April 21, 2013, 06:41:54 pm
I'm glad to hear support coming from the L4D1 community. Any donation would help a ton. Also that is a very good point about skill level. I guess we can have 1 tourney, but- I will pair inexperienced teams against other inexperienced teams. I want everyone to get a chance to play a couple matches without feeling like they got a shitty matchup.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: CautioN on April 22, 2013, 12:49:01 am
I would be interested in putting an Australian team in, We don't really have anyone else to scrim in Aus so we don't play the game much but we still love it :D
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: nikeon on April 22, 2013, 05:31:04 pm
The german L4D2 Team from nikeOn started L4D just for our EU L4League and they are in the 1. Division good teams from L4D2 don't need to play in the amateur league there is no active "top" team active anymore in L4D1 just make a big Cup with a nice price maybe?

+1 We started playing the PreTournament and in the Division deciding group stages just for fun without even taken it serious.
noone in my team has played l4d1 competive and we expected a couple of rapes by the so-called "pro" L4D1 teams.
In the end we ended up 3rd in the PreTournament and went with only 1 real close loss in the Groupstages into 1st Division now without
even practising or doing anything in L4D1.

I think if people take it as it is -for fun- there is no need to divide teams into lower and higher cuz i think-and some people now might hate me a bit more <3- a mid level team in l4d2 that understands teamwork shouldnt have any problems in l4d1 at all since the game is way more simple and does not show the tactical variety of l4d2 and will end up with the questions - can u synch your attacks?,do you know how to waste,sacrifize your SI?,can you skeet/clear fast?

Bigger Questions regarding an upcoming Tournament would be: What Config??(I dont mind playing rowtow or roto as long as deadstops are disabled and servers are stable)
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: boomerpuncher21 on April 22, 2013, 05:45:39 pm
I would personally rather see a l4d2 fixed, (meaning fix spawn orders) retro config tourny on l4d2 maps. I feel like it would be a lot of fun.

I'm sure I'll get hate from l4d1 players for this but meh.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 22, 2013, 05:48:06 pm
Wise words from nikeOn boy and he is absolutely right L4D1 is a teamgame like L4D2 so teams have no problem to play it.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 22, 2013, 05:51:11 pm
I would personally rather see a l4d2 fixed, (meaning fix spawn orders) retro config tourny on l4d2 maps. I feel like it would be a lot of fun.

I'm sure I'll get hate from l4d1 players for this but meh.

Played the config as a L4D1 player it just doesn't felt like L4D1 and isn't the idea from Jacob to bring the old memories back?
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: nikeon on April 22, 2013, 06:05:45 pm
I would personally rather see a l4d2 fixed, (meaning fix spawn orders) retro config tourny on l4d2 maps. I feel like it would be a lot of fun.

I'm sure I'll get hate from l4d1 players for this but meh.

Well if you wanna play l4d1 in l4d2 on the l4d1 maps(wtf :D) try the scarecrow cfg we have on all sir please servers including the NY ones.
Only pump and uzi,only L4D1 infected..
But if you want me to be honest...If i wanna play l4d1 i go play it and not try to emulate it in l4d2.
L4d2 and its mapdesign is complete different compared to l4d1 and would just take the fun out of the maps.
If you wanna play something different in L4D2 go play custom campaigns .

Also i forgot to mention regarding jacobs tourny plans:Custom Campaigns??Pretty Pleeeeeze?Suicide Blitz,City 17 and some others are pretty sexy and are actually a lot more fun then just playing Death toll,harvest or dead air all over again and again.
It also could balance a bit the so-called "skill differences" as you mentioned since the old teams if there are any out there woudl have to adapt at least a bit new shit to their old routine.

Would lend a hand or two with preparing the stuff if needed since in the actuall EU league noone really cared about fixing stuff etc and just left it as it is what is in some spots kinda retarded imo.

Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Jacob on April 22, 2013, 06:16:15 pm
Well if you wanna play l4d1 in l4d2 on the l4d1 maps(wtf :D) try the scarecrow cfg we have on all sir please servers including the NY ones.
Only pump and uzi,only L4D1 infected..
But if you want me to be honest...If i wanna play l4d1 i go play it and not try to emulate it in l4d2.
L4d2 and its mapdesign is complete different compared to l4d1 and would just take the fun out of the maps.
If you wanna play something different in L4D2 go play custom campaigns .

Also i forgot to mention regarding jacobs tourny plans:Custom Campaigns??Pretty Pleeeeeze?Suicide Blitz,City 17 and some others are pretty sexy and are actually a lot more fun then just playing Death toll,harvest or dead air all over again and again.
It also could balance a bit the so-called "skill differences" as you mentioned since the old teams if there are any out there woudl have to adapt at least a bit new shit to their old routine.

Would lend a hand or two with preparing the stuff if needed since in the actuall EU league noone really cared about fixing stuff etc and just left it as it is what is in some spots kinda retarded imo.

Of course. :p
You are talking to THEE custom campaign king. In fact whenever you get on steam I wanna talk to you about something.

As for the config- I will make the decision on this based on what I think will be the best for everyone. I would like to see both configs (assuming there are only 2) and compare them before I make a decision.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 22, 2013, 06:23:31 pm
Rotoblin = Brainless rush without survivor tactics
Rowtow = Trying to bring some old tactics back like molotov, HR and searching for stuff everything nerfed of course + more tank HP

It's my opinion!!!
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Icy Inferno on April 22, 2013, 06:42:02 pm
I would personally rather see a l4d2 fixed, (meaning fix spawn orders) retro config tourny on l4d2 maps. I feel like it would be a lot of fun.


Played the config as a L4D1 player it just doesn't felt like L4D1 and isn't the idea from Jacob to bring the old memories back?


There's also a group of folks porting the L4D2 maps into L4D1 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/l4d2onl4d), which has been ongoing for a loooong time but looks to be winding down (if their to-do list is to be believed, it seems like finishing up nav meshes is the biggest hurdle left?)

I've personally been looking forward to this for AGES and I really hope that these guys come through. For now, you can play The Parish maps 1 and 2 (http://www.l4dmaps.com/details.php?file=12397).
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 22, 2013, 07:05:48 pm
There's also a group of folks porting the L4D2 maps into L4D1 ([url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/l4d2onl4d[/url]), which has been ongoing for a loooong time but looks to be winding down (if their to-do list is to be believed, it seems like finishing up nav meshes is the biggest hurdle left?)

I've personally been looking forward to this for AGES and I really hope that these guys come through. For now, you can play The Parish maps 1 and 2 ([url]http://www.l4dmaps.com/details.php?file=12397[/url]).


I saw a video from them and some competitive player said hey does it work in Rotoblin and Versus and the creator said something like this I dont like competitive L4D players and I just wanna have these maps for campaign mode and vanilla versus.

Found the video Left 4 Dead: The Parish - Finale Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJpGKo3Nlug#ws)
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: nikeon on April 22, 2013, 07:25:48 pm
Not a big deal as longas it has some kind of vs support.Even if not its possible but honestly would be too much work for too less in the end.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Icy Inferno on April 22, 2013, 07:30:52 pm
Not a big deal as longas it has some kind of vs support.Even if not its possible but honestly would be too much work for too less in the end.

Pretty much. I think that was more of a catch-all "it's not our job to make your gameplay mod work with our maps."
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: joshhhy on April 23, 2013, 09:28:38 am
I would love this.

Rotoblin = Brainless rush without survivor tactics
Rowtow = Trying to bring some old tactics back like molotov, HR and searching for stuff everything nerfed of course + more tank HP

It's my opinion!!!

Also, I agree with this. Old Frus (before they made HR easy mode) was the most fun config IMO back then. Just added some flavor to the game :3 If a config could imitate that but incorporate some higher level of difficulty like hc roto did, it would be boss.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Hoernchen on April 23, 2013, 10:59:51 am
Latest Rowtow Config:

Tank has 6500HP
Molotov only burns the tank for a short time I think It's 10 seconds (1000damage)
You can find 4-6 pills on the maps and you start with only 1 starter pills except map 1 (with 2)
No Tank slowdown
Nerfed Hunting Rifle (7/89 Bullets) + Fire slowdown (feels like the L4D2 Scout)

Just the fact that you don't rush the whole map because you search for pills makes L4D more interesting.


I played now a lot pcws on this config and nothing feels OP and hey L4D doesn't feel like CoD too bad a lot players who started L4D Competitive late 2010 with Rotoblin disagree with the config.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Icy Inferno on April 23, 2013, 11:41:30 am
Neat! The pills rules sound kind of like Xbox's Find Your Own Medkit ruleset, which always sounded interesting to me because it made the earlier medkits much more useful.

Edit: I also really like the 100 dps for 10 seconds molotov: it's worth it to throw at that damage rating, is somewhat balanced out by / balances out the lack of tank slowdown, and adds back in a game mechanic that's quite different from other mechanics and  thus quite interesting in my opinion (aiming with throwables/grenades).

I think putting valuable items into the map like this can really re-introduce L4D to some of its roots, and I look forward to playing this sometime.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: mads-wm3 on April 23, 2013, 12:19:53 pm
I like rotoblin, and I've been playing since early 2009... I think rotoblin is the most balanced config. I don't really like the idea of running around for the pills, but tbh I've only played 4-5 games of rowtow, since I haven't played that much the last year or so... So I can't really say which config I would prefer.

About custom campaigns; I think most L4D1 players are very open towards custom campaigns, since they've been a part of tournaments and also some times mixes and PCWs for a long long time... I remember Thug hosting some weekend custom campaign tournaments back in 2010 or something like that.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: KiLLaToY on April 23, 2013, 12:25:57 pm
Latest Rowtow Config:

Tank has 6500HP
Molotov only burns the tank for a short time I think It's 10 seconds (1000damage)
You can find 4-6 pills on the maps and you start with only 1 starter pills except map 1 (with 2)
No Tank slowdown
Nerfed Hunting Rifle (7/89 Bullets) + Fire slowdown (feels like the L4D2 Scout)

Just the fact that you don't rush the whole map because you search for pills makes L4D more interesting.


I played now a lot pcws on this config and nothing feels OP and hey L4D doesn't feel like CoD too bad a lot players who started L4D Competitive late 2010 with Rotoblin disagree with the config.

IF ONLY WE COULD HAVE THIS IN L4D2, HMMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Jekt on April 25, 2013, 01:16:38 am
How do you even find a current L4D config pack? Use to be easy when Rotoblin has its own google code page.

Where's a pack with up to date plugins and rowtow config? ready where infected can move, gradual pill health, griffins stats plugin, tank announce if that exists and whatever is the newest rowtow thing these days.

What even is the standard anymore.

http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d1-discussion/scrim-server-files/ (http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d1-discussion/scrim-server-files/)

is that up to date?
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Joint on April 25, 2013, 10:54:46 am
How do you even find a current L4D config pack? Use to be easy when Rotoblin has its own google code page.

Where's a pack with up to date plugins and rowtow config? ready where infected can move, gradual pill health, griffins stats plugin, tank announce if that exists and whatever is the newest rowtow thing these days.

What even is the standard anymore.

[url]http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d1-discussion/scrim-server-files/[/url] ([url]http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d1-discussion/scrim-server-files/[/url])

is that up to date?


Take a look here "ftp://joint.myftp.org/tools/" you should have there all necessary plugins, i will put there the updated rowtow config soon.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: rsz on August 03, 2013, 02:01:10 pm
I was in the army january-june I have no idea whats been going on, was this something that already happened or another one of those "lets do this guys" "whos gonna do it?" "idk" things?
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: mads-wm3 on August 03, 2013, 04:56:33 pm
Hai <3

Quite sure nothing happened, so I guess it just died out  :P
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Riven on August 04, 2013, 08:51:43 am
I miss your videos rsz  :)
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: mads-wm3 on August 04, 2013, 01:24:59 pm
If he could get some footage, I've heard from reliable sources (^^) that he might make one.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: rsz on August 08, 2013, 11:10:26 am
I have heard the same rumor.
Title: Re: Interest In a L4D1 Tourney Supporting L4D2 Teams?
Post by: Keep_Rockin on September 10, 2013, 02:51:20 pm
good idea to force some interested l4d2 players to play in 1st one, i guess it will help somehow to the dead l4d1 community just bcs of posts about pcws atleast.
p.s.
and srsly this verify questions about l4d2 pissing me off sry