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[Rails]

>_>

Please remember that (as stated in the rules) anyone who is banned from the Hot Mess community may not participate in this tournament. If you are found to have played a match with such a player, the result(s) may be overturned. Thanks!

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**thinking**



 

Fun fact: Danne was banned from e-Freak during that tournament, but the main person running the tournament (Jay) and the boss-dude (Fig) used Hotmess instead of e-Freak as the measurement for who got to play. I wonder why? This e-FPS tournament had my name as an admin but in name alone; I wasn't active in the scene. Plus the other two-thirds of the staff were the same people who made the wrong decision re: Danne on HotMess while Danne was also concurrently a SirPlease admin. The minute I actually hosted a tournament, situation was investigated - much easier when those who enabled this to happen aren't in positions of power. Although, similar to Danne, I think Jay's usefulness in posting, moderating things, streaming, allowed some of his previous behavior to be overlooked. Not hacking, though.

(@Grizz you made no fallacy, mate, Jay's just trying to avoid his role in allowing a hacker to admin HotMess and play in two tournaments he adminned by using the one admin decision I consulted on in two years. Fig's already apologized to me for how that happened, considering. Guess hindsight is 20/20, unless you're willingly blind.)

Also wtf I hardly did shit for anything l4d2 related last two years, unless you count playing in MemeWar and recently with RBT4. Credit for keeping community going belongs to Sir and e-Freak tbh.

[sinclair]

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**thinking**



 

Fun fact: Danne was banned from e-Freak during that tournament, but the main person running the tournament (Jay) and the boss-dude (Fig) used Hotmess instead of e-Freak as the measurement for who got to play. I wonder why? This e-FPS tournament had my name as an admin but in name alone; I wasn't active in the scene. Plus the other two-thirds of the staff were the same people who made the wrong decision re: Danne on HotMess while Danne was also concurrently a SirPlease admin. The minute I actually hosted a tournament, situation was investigated - much easier when those who enabled this to happen aren't in positions of power. Although, similar to Danne, I think Jay's usefulness in posting, moderating things, streaming, allowed some of his previous behavior to be overlooked. Not hacking, though.

(@Grizz you made no fallacy, mate, Jay's just trying to avoid his role in allowing a hacker to admin HotMess and play in two tournaments he adminned by using the one admin decision I consulted on in two years. Fig's already apologized to me for how that happened, considering. Guess hindsight is 20/20, unless you're willingly blind.)

Also wtf I hardly did shit for anything l4d2 related last two years, unless you count playing in MemeWar and recently with RBT4. Credit for keeping community going belongs to Sir and e-Freak tbh.

[Lupee]

[Rails]

K Jay. You asked for it. Thread won't let me quote so I old-fashioned copy-pasted. Original thread.

"looks like you joined mumble and harassed people who were playing other games (visor) harassed people on steam and took chat logs out of context (mine, ragecake, vol). just in case anyone is curious of seeing what happens to people who don't immediately come into their mumble so they can be bullied and recorded in this garbage tmz journalism here you go. u guys clearly have some sort of agenda here. orrpo at least. 2/10 because parts of it were funny"

"There's quite a lot of off point gibberish here.
i'm glad you identified why no one will be taking your video seriously"

"/shitload of irrelevant memes/" (times don't change honestly)

"orrpo and a few of danne's ex teammates are trying to convince people that he was using aimware.

they put together a 30 minute video with about maybe 3 minutes of actual footage. 3 minutes of it repepated with wireframe and in slo mo. 

for the past month orrpo has been hassling almost everyone in hot mess / EU to join their private discord server to watch their clips and record you. those recordings are used in this video along with a supposed image of danne's desktop illegally acquired by visor through a trojan program. 

then theres chat logs cut up and taken out of context to suggest that myself and  the hot mess admins are somehow aware of danne cheating or something stupid.

people that have come out against the video and its 'evidence':
purple, vol, ragecake, fig, prodigysim, apathy (cant stand danne) and various others. so he isnt getting banned or anything, this looks to be some internal EU drama, similar to when my former teammates did the same thing.  probably something to do with orrpo and within their team."

/Dyl posts more evidence/

"this hunter is already being shot by his teammates, health is being chipped and is growling. he knows where it is. its making sound."

Apathy, same thread: "i took the time to go through all his demos and i agree some parts look like aim assist. "

All you did in that thread (as a non-admin "adviser") is defend someone who has been now guaranteed (key word) to have hacked in this game. And instead of contribute to a better investigation than miro's original video on someone with the most evidence and suspicion in competitive l4d2 history, you and your friends defended someone who was under incredible scrutiny and allowed him to still compete when even the person (Visor) co-running his new server network also believes he was a hacker (and sees Asylum as a second chance). Call the SirPlease and subsequent RBT4 bans late if you want, but HotMess and you, Jay, and Fig, honestly, and (for making him an admin after the e-Freak ban) Sir, handled this beyond terribly.

My original point was that someone with Danne's level of suspicion (to say nothing of how he acts, which is a completely different conversation and, in Fig's mind, the OG conduct ban could've been enough to get his admin removed for the terribly derogatory comments he made) has no right being an admin anywhere. Sir and I have already discussed this, and he's also the community admin who did the most work on the SirPlease/RBT4 investigations from a technical standpoint and ended up completely banning one of his (admitted) friends because of how he has "guaranteed" Danne hacked in the same videos HotMess punted on to protect their admin.

(Interesting note: Sir has recently removed the ban on Wreg_HQ, from team G2, that Danne made while an admin at HotMess that was then imported to SirPlease. HotMess is a literal joke, in hindsight. They are (along with TFPG and Mizzy's LTD) a prime example as to why at least one of the main admins - not 'strategic advisers', but the people who actually run the place and make decisions - needs to be a high-tier player.)



When you fail to hold your admins to the highest standard, you create room for bad things to happen, even in (left 4) dead competitive video games.

[sinclair]

...but HotMess and you, Jay, and Fig, honestly, and (for making him an admin after the e-Freak ban) Sir, handled this beyond terribly.

[fig newtons]

Whoa tensions are running high in here. Just a couple things;

1. Detecting cheating is difficult. When I was involved in the l4d2 community I tended to presume innocence because I wanted to avoid a witch-hunt mentality that goes along with the idea that "anyone could be hacking".
2. Aside from the existing "multi-hack" whisperer video that was published years ago, I have not seen any new evidence, nor am I aware of new evidence having been published anywhere.
3. I am not going to sit through all 30 odd minutes that video again. I watched the whole thing in slow motion several times when it was originally published and I was of sound mind then, so I trust that my judgment won't change if I look at it now. I saw nothing in that video that couldn't be explained with directional sound; if that's the best anyone could come up with after combing those demos looking for things to present in a suspicious light, then it amounts to no evidence whatsoever.
4. Therefore, I think I made the best decision I could at the time and I wouldn't change it now, if I could.
5. That I judged, then and now, that the evidence that has/had been presented publicly is insufficient to know that he did hack, does not in any way show that he didn't.
6. If Rails has seen new evidence that is still secret, I'm okay with that. Per #1, this shit is hard to get right. People like him do the best they can with limited information and with the community's best interests in mind. He gets tons of grief for doing a tedious and thankless job that nobody else wants to do. He made a different decision than I did. That's life. I respect his judgment and his intentions.
7. Regardless of having hacked or not, danne is and was a toxic weed in this community. His conduct was consistently disruptive and generally terrible. I'm not going to stick my neck out for reactionary bigots. I used to ban him from l4dnation for 6+ months at a time and he would always find a way to get banned for another long stretch shortly after his ban expired. Hacker or not, we're better off without him.
8. Per #6 and #7, this shit needs to die. Everyone should walk away from it. This decision has been made and the ship has sailed. If you want a tournament where he is allowed to play, run your own tournament.

/thread

/topic

Edit: /topic, not /thread. resume posting stupid memes

[sinclair]

 

[Lupee]

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[Bravo]

Aside from old videos where people made suspecting danne of cheating I still am curious as to how all of a sudden a 100% consensus has been made that he in fact is actually cheating.  Trust me im not trying to be bias since he was a part of my team I really am curious as to what it was because rails simply told me "sir is 100% sure go ask him" and when I asked sir he said nothing to me but pretty much "I never cheated before but I used cheats in a pug once now I know how they work and now I understand those old videos better because I tested some cheats" 

[fig newtons]

It's not a 100% consensus but that doesn't matter because this shit isn't a democracy and it never was

You never have been able to understand that

[sinclair]

The Death of Hot Mess

[Bravo]

It's not a 100% consensus but that doesn't matter because this shit isn't a democracy and it never was

You never have been able to understand that

Trust me, if anyone understands its me. I just never seen it like this where the reason is just I cheated so now I know what cheats are like and this dudes cheating.

[fig newtons]

Alright so you're asking why their confidence is so high, not why the consensus is so high.

That's a fair question.

[sinclair]

Trust me, if anyone understands its me. I just never seen it like this where the reason is just I cheated so now I know what cheats are like and this dudes cheating.

As far as i can tell the only thing that changed is sir's opinion. most of the ppl who defended him (hot mess) have long since retired cuz as fig said its a thankless job. i can't imagine what they had to deal with on a daily basis. honestly if u ask me, looks like rails started playing and didnt like danne or w/e. the same ppl who played in hot mess / sir please seem to be playing fine in asylum pugs looks like its just rails being butthurt

[iamSun]

Aside from old videos where people made suspecting danne of cheating I still am curious as to how all of a sudden a 100% consensus has been made that he in fact is actually cheating.  Trust me im not trying to be bias since he was a part of my team I really am curious as to what it was because rails simply told me "sir is 100% sure go ask him" and when I asked sir he said nothing to me but pretty much "I never cheated before but I used cheats in a pug once now I know how they work and now I understand those old videos better because I tested some cheats" 

Yeah actually, reasoning is so vague. It's almoust like some people just had a change of heart or something.

I still think that old video by miro was more than enough for his ban and shame on you, mostly NA people (like yourselelf btw) for letting obvious cheater such extremely suspicious player thrive and even stay in a position of admin for years to come.