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Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: April 04, 2019, 04:34:31 am »

this is more than I think anyone could have ever asked for in terms of this. The level of corruption is unreal yet only possible in l4d2. Congratulations, honestly. I’m so glad I’ll never be part of that group holy shit you people are the saddest humans on the face of the planet.


Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: April 03, 2019, 03:22:38 pm »
to the 3 people in this community still following this thread, yes, Danne did pay a few of us to 'PR' on the forums here against orrpo in 2017, but the real question is how orrpo knows about this. obviously he paid for cheats but he would have no way of suspecting us (myself, ragecake, bravo, purple, psim, fig, and sir (at the time)) for covering for a fee instead of just doing it because we liked him / the evidence said so.)

so then sometime in 2018 grego showed us proof that orrpo was tapping Sir Please (hot mess mumble at the time) and knew about our conversations and therefore venmo transactions.

so not sure what happened w/ sir deciding to go against danne. doesnt take a genius to see all the bank danne made off all these tournaments, i never had a problem collecting payments, probably sir just got greedy and tried to extort him (which, at this point in the game, can u blame him).

if i had to take a gather at it maybe rails heard about it from sir and wanted in on the blackmail payout and danne said no. either way orrpo danne has his own servers and you will never convince the admins of that group to ban him so you are wasting your time, unless you are also a paid shrill.

This entire thing is an April Fools' joke right.


You're gonna pop up with a meme being like HA HA, GOTCHA, CHECK THE DATE!!!!!111!!!1


Please for the love of God, of anything in the history of this community, PLEASE LET THIS BE THAT TIME. THIS CANT BE REAL.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 14, 2019, 11:21:45 am »
As far as i can tell the only thing that changed is sir's opinion. most of the ppl who defended him (hot mess) have long since retired cuz as fig said its a thankless job. i can't imagine what they had to deal with on a daily basis. honestly if u ask me, looks like rails started playing and didnt like danne or w/e. the same ppl who played in hot mess / sir please seem to be playing fine in asylum pugs looks like its just rails being butthurt

Okay Shade. I've had enough of you. You're too much of a coward to have an actual discussion, you have absolutely no logical basis for anything you say, and you've disliked me for years because I've constantly clapped back to your nonsense. Other admins (almost all of them, except your 'friends' at HotMess) have shared the same opinion: you're an actual punchline in terms of this community who doesn't deserve my time or attention. However, this response serves a wider purpose, I'm just going to use you as my excuse to say it.

You decided to quote from a thread where other community admins literally defaced my wiki page as soon as their admin tags were off. Difference between them and I, and you and I, is that my behavior doesn't change regardless of whether I'm an admin. I hold myself to a higher standard and don't need an admin label to tell me how to act so that then, as soon as its off, I can suddenly transform into a trolly, immature child. As has been the case during my time in the community, I won't let you just sprout whatever you want without an actual answer - except the answer, this time, has implications. Allow me to explain.

Let me repeat this. "It looks like Rails started playing and didn't like Danne."

This has nothing to do about me liking or disliking anyone. It has everything to do with someone being a hacker and banned at multiple places while being an admin at another community group. The only question I ever asked (which got so much attention) was why was Danne an admin at SirPlease considering his community history. You'd think even credible suspicion of hacking would be enough for someone not to be an admin, right?

The answer to my question was for Sir to decide to change his mind during the semi-finals of my tournament when I didn't even ask him to ban Danne. We never even got to the topic because Sir told me his "guarantee" on his own volition. Recently, he (meaning Sir) decided to test AimWare for about a month (along with no-sound) and figured out it gets around literally every single defense we have. He said, following that, he re-watched the same evidence you (Jay) and the rest of HotMess ignored in 2017 and could "guarantee" Danne hacked. Why did he change his mind at that point? Why did he do it only after I asked him? Why did he make Danne an admin at all? These are not questions for me, because when that ban hit during the semis it was not from the RBT4 staff. We followed our precedent with WregHQ and also Snikz, along with Manzano, where if a person was banned from SirPlease during the duration of the tournament they get immediately DQ'd (or not allowed to play, as in the WregHQ and Manzano cases).

Read this as many times as you need to: We were NOT going to ban Danne from the tournament prior to Sir doing that, but the main admin of the game's largest community hub basically saying the game's got no competitive vitality because of hacks nobody can detect unless they test them personally, and that he let a hacker be a main admin at his group for over two years and then banned him using the same evidence he didn't think was good enough in 2017 made us follow precedent. That's a word I'd expect you to understand, Shade, but why would you when you were one of the people doing everything in their power to disprove the same evidence that has now been enough for every major community group except the one run by the hacker and the server admin who helped prove he hacks (aka Visor)?

I've taken my fair share of criticism during my time in this community. But I won't take it from you, Jay. Especially not when I've tried my best to be as fair and ethical and personally responsible as possible during my time here. I have no need to go into the way you've behaved in this community or your past, but I hope this also serves as an opportunity for anybody wondering how the reasoning was carried out. It came as a response in a meme thread, because, honestly, this game is a competitive meme at this point and has been for a while since AimWare was introduced. For those of us who cared about the game, this is, in a phrase, extremely depressing. And instead of being appreciative of the time I and other admins have invested into trying to investigate a hacker, you sit on a dead website and do all you can to talk shit while you were one of the people who actively worked against the community's best interests. You are, in a word, a joke.

I have nothing more to say about this, and no more interest in this community.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 13, 2019, 03:25:03 pm »

Are you really sure you want to go there?

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 06, 2019, 02:29:54 am »
K Jay. You asked for it. Thread won't let me quote so I old-fashioned copy-pasted. Original thread.

"looks like you joined mumble and harassed people who were playing other games (visor) harassed people on steam and took chat logs out of context (mine, ragecake, vol). just in case anyone is curious of seeing what happens to people who don't immediately come into their mumble so they can be bullied and recorded in this garbage tmz journalism here you go. u guys clearly have some sort of agenda here. orrpo at least. 2/10 because parts of it were funny"

"There's quite a lot of off point gibberish here.
i'm glad you identified why no one will be taking your video seriously"

"/shitload of irrelevant memes/" (times don't change honestly)

"orrpo and a few of danne's ex teammates are trying to convince people that he was using aimware.

they put together a 30 minute video with about maybe 3 minutes of actual footage. 3 minutes of it repepated with wireframe and in slo mo. 

for the past month orrpo has been hassling almost everyone in hot mess / EU to join their private discord server to watch their clips and record you. those recordings are used in this video along with a supposed image of danne's desktop illegally acquired by visor through a trojan program. 

then theres chat logs cut up and taken out of context to suggest that myself and  the hot mess admins are somehow aware of danne cheating or something stupid.

people that have come out against the video and its 'evidence':
purple, vol, ragecake, fig, prodigysim, apathy (cant stand danne) and various others. so he isnt getting banned or anything, this looks to be some internal EU drama, similar to when my former teammates did the same thing.  probably something to do with orrpo and within their team."

/Dyl posts more evidence/

"this hunter is already being shot by his teammates, health is being chipped and is growling. he knows where it is. its making sound."

Apathy, same thread: "i took the time to go through all his demos and i agree some parts look like aim assist. "

All you did in that thread (as a non-admin "adviser") is defend someone who has been now guaranteed (key word) to have hacked in this game. And instead of contribute to a better investigation than miro's original video on someone with the most evidence and suspicion in competitive l4d2 history, you and your friends defended someone who was under incredible scrutiny and allowed him to still compete when even the person (Visor) co-running his new server network also believes he was a hacker (and sees Asylum as a second chance). Call the SirPlease and subsequent RBT4 bans late if you want, but HotMess and you, Jay, and Fig, honestly, and (for making him an admin after the e-Freak ban) Sir, handled this beyond terribly.

My original point was that someone with Danne's level of suspicion (to say nothing of how he acts, which is a completely different conversation and, in Fig's mind, the OG conduct ban could've been enough to get his admin removed for the terribly derogatory comments he made) has no right being an admin anywhere. Sir and I have already discussed this, and he's also the community admin who did the most work on the SirPlease/RBT4 investigations from a technical standpoint and ended up completely banning one of his (admitted) friends because of how he has "guaranteed" Danne hacked in the same videos HotMess punted on to protect their admin.

(Interesting note: Sir has recently removed the ban on Wreg_HQ, from team G2, that Danne made while an admin at HotMess that was then imported to SirPlease. HotMess is a literal joke, in hindsight. They are (along with TFPG and Mizzy's LTD) a prime example as to why at least one of the main admins - not 'strategic advisers', but the people who actually run the place and make decisions - needs to be a high-tier player.)

When you fail to hold your admins to the highest standard, you create room for bad things to happen, even in (left 4) dead competitive video games.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 05, 2019, 02:08:14 pm »

Please remember that (as stated in the rules) anyone who is banned from the Hot Mess community may not participate in this tournament. If you are found to have played a match with such a player, the result(s) may be overturned. Thanks!




Fun fact: Danne was banned from e-Freak during that tournament, but the main person running the tournament (Jay) and the boss-dude (Fig) used Hotmess instead of e-Freak as the measurement for who got to play. I wonder why? This e-FPS tournament had my name as an admin but in name alone; I wasn't active in the scene. Plus the other two-thirds of the staff were the same people who made the wrong decision re: Danne on HotMess while Danne was also concurrently a SirPlease admin. The minute I actually hosted a tournament, situation was investigated - much easier when those who enabled this to happen aren't in positions of power. Although, similar to Danne, I think Jay's usefulness in posting, moderating things, streaming, allowed some of his previous behavior to be overlooked. Not hacking, though.

(@Grizz you made no fallacy, mate, Jay's just trying to avoid his role in allowing a hacker to admin HotMess and play in two tournaments he adminned by using the one admin decision I consulted on in two years. Fig's already apologized to me for how that happened, considering. Guess hindsight is 20/20, unless you're willingly blind.)

Also wtf I hardly did shit for anything l4d2 related last two years, unless you count playing in MemeWar and recently with RBT4. Credit for keeping community going belongs to Sir and e-Freak tbh.

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 05, 2019, 08:33:22 am »

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 04, 2019, 01:56:38 pm »
this is the most activity this site has had in ages don't stop us now

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 04, 2019, 01:04:06 pm »
not gonna lie this is actually fun

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: March 04, 2019, 04:04:47 am »

Left 4 Dead 2 / Re: RAGE COMICS ARE BACK!
« on: February 26, 2019, 09:04:23 am »
Normally, I wouldn't respond to idiotic posts on a dead website, but this was too funny for me to pass up the opportunity.

For those who can't read (meaning Shade or Sun or Lupe), Danne was banned from the Swiss section of RBT4 for making terrible, derogatory, and extremely bigoted comments towards a group of people (Muslims and Middle-Easterners). This ban had nothing to do with his hacking, mostly because, uh, he was an admin at SirPlease. Following a legitimate apology plus people from the community from said targeted demographics vouching for his unban (yeah), he was allowed to play under heavy supervision (because then the hacking issues came into play). Now, Lupe's making idiotic memes about me being blind when I've said the entire time that this should've happened back in 2017 - when people like Jay were defending him in the atrocious thread that was posted in response to the multi-hack whisperer. He was banned once for conduct, which was for the entire swiss stage, and then he was banned once for hacking, which, well has caused him to start a new server group 24 hours after he said he didn't care about the game. Meanwhile, one of the people (Jay) responsible for this not happening when it should've (along with Vol and RageCake, wonder why) continues his favorite past-time of making shit up. So yeah, thanks for all your help in improving the community, boys.

News / Officially Announcing The Really Big Tournament #4!
« on: November 22, 2018, 05:08:45 pm »


hosted by Rails Barlow

The Basics:


CONFIG: ZoneMod 1.9.3 (release soon)

PRIZE POOL: $200 WITH MORE TO COME (early stages)

RULESET: Pending

1. This is a Four (or five, depending on team signups) Round Swiss Style tournament, which will then proceed to a finals bracket of the top 8 teams to determine the champion (similar to the RBT1 and RBT3, plus e-FPS tournaments).

2. This server format for the tournament shall be HOME AND AWAY SERVERS for INTERNATIONAL MATCHES. The teams can determine whether or not to play one or two games for a given match; if the teams cannot agree, the admin team will decide.

3. This tournament will be played on ZoneMod with a match by match option for both teams to play another config if they so choose. If both teams choose to do so, they can play their match on another config (uMod, Acemod, Metafogl, Witch Party) instead of ZoneMod; both teams must agree to play another config for their match. If either team wants to play ZoneMod, the match MUST be played on ZoneMod. Anyone who's ever wanted to play jockey races for a tournament match, NOW IS YOUR TIME. NOTE: The option for mutual agreement on a different config only applies for the Swiss stages of the tournament. The Finals Bracket will be exclusively ZoneMod.

IMPORTANT: Team rosters will be limited to SIX PLAYERS. For the duration of the Swiss portion of the tournament, NO roster changes will be allowed following signups. Teams who qualify for the elimination bracket will be allowed to make roster alterations but ONLY for 1) removig inactive players and/or 2) adding players to their roster who have NOT played in the tournament as part of another team's roster. Classic rules.


The map pool for the tournament is as follows:

Hard Rain
Dark Carnival
The Parish
Death Toll
Diescraper Redux (Custom Map)
Dead Center
Hard Rain: Downpour

IMPORTANT: All official tournament information - including signups, round info, and official results - will be facilitated through the official steam group, which is open to join here!

Following the conclusion of signups, designated team captains will be expected to post match results in the proper threads in the group. Official announcements for streams, tournament progress, and the VOD archive will be available here; tournament admins will be the group admins; moderators will be casters, streamers, team captains, and other imporant tournament people.

DeadSec > Toxicity

DeadSec > Longshots (FFW)

He went offline before I could ask him about another solution.

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