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Pariah

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2017, 03:06:39 pm »
This is just funny, i've saw Mao getting better with bhops with time, i remember discussing with him about what was the best way to move the crosshair for maximum speed in some practicogl games and stuff like that. His bad for forgetting to record demo that day but as i stated to admins he was willing to reproduce that bunnyhopping any day while recording an actual demo or streaming, and even on any ping till 150.

I respect your other guesses cause they can either have sense or i don't know the player, but the Mao guess is wrong. I can't obviously be sure about anything but i know that he has the legit skill to perform good bunnyhops.
I have no counter proof but back then on promod i remember people complaining for my underhand jumprocks (the easiest to do LEL) or bhops, and it was just funny to me. Mao with time got even better at bunnyhopping and i guess it's normal to get more hackusations, but don't state it as an ''obvious'' fact on a public forum without actual proofs.

I can reproduce the bhops on that video. He can do it any time. So no, it's not ''obvious''.

I don't see howbeing able to reproduce something with the same AHK that you used to do it to begin with could be considered proof of innocence in any way, shape or form. In what way would recording a demo or streaming your game change your ability to use a macro or AHK during the stream/demo? It would change nothing at all, A bhop script isn't something you'll see tangible evidence of during a demo or stream. Not unless they are blatently chaining 50 bhops in a row. I generally agree with what you say on this forum Sanchez, But you're certainly wrong in this case.

Mao is without a shadow of a doubt using an AHK of something of this ilk to spam spacebar, Just like dozens of other people are using. Where I differ from xbye isn't on the ability to see that these people are obviously using a script/macro - It's about whether I care or not. If they use the advantage to significantly impact on a game then that's a different story. Do i care about people landing a few bhops in an open area with no infected around? Not really.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2017, 03:08:45 pm by Pariah »

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2017, 04:23:49 pm »
Guess I'm late to the party!

If an AutoHotkey script that is accurate down to milliseconds isn't able to get consistent bhops on a flat surface, I really don't see how a human being could even come close to being able to land multiple bhops in a row (in 60-100 tick servers). Are you saying humans can surpass the machines in timing? Everyone knows it's IMPOSSIBLE to be consistent with bhops on higher tickrates.

My bhop script was good, but it wasn't 100% reliable or perfect. It missed a few every now and then, even with all the optimisations and fine-tuning. The only way you're gonna land bhops like that is with third party cheats.

Let me get this straight...what you're basically saying is, my hands are better than your script? well, thanks for the compliment m9.

I could teach you...For an easier solution though, you should get in touch with danne. I heard he'd be happy to provide with something more reliable than your "finely-tuned" ahk script; for the right price of course ;)

Mao is without a shadow of a doubt using an AHK of something of this ilk to spam spacebar, Just like dozens of other people are using.

You'd think someone with years of cheating, scripting and multiple VAC medals across their accounts would be able to accurately spot when someone else is cheating. Disappointing to say the least.

Where I differ from xbye isn't on the ability to see that these people are obviously using a script/macro - It's about whether I care or not. If they use the advantage to significantly impact on a game then that's a different story. Do i care about people landing a few bhops in an open area with no infected around? Not really.

To paraphrase: "Cheating is fine. As long as it just looks cool and doesn't give too much advantage."

Good thing you're not in a position to make decisions on bans. Oh wait.... ::)

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2017, 04:48:56 pm »
You'd think someone with years of cheating, scripting and multiple VAC medals across their accounts would be able to accurately spot when someone else is cheating. Disappointing to say the least.

To paraphrase: "Cheating is fine. As long as it just looks cool and doesn't give too much advantage."

Good thing you're not in a position to make decisions on bans. Oh wait.... ::)

I've accurately spotted and banned plenty of cheaters in the past and continue to do so, As recently as 2 days ago. I've never been wrong when making an accusation of cheating, That's a fact and you're included in that statistic. You're welcome to have an opinion but I doubt anyone in the community has any respect for what you have to say.

Dozens of people have an AHK and stand about in the saferoom "bhopping" in window frames to spam the chat with printouts displaying the various mental deficiencies that they suffer from.  Cheating isn't "fine" but you're exceedingly naive and therefore cannot comprehend what the problem is. The problem is that something like AHK Bhop is essentially impossible to prove, Therefore there is no reliable way to punish it unless someone makes it too obvious.  I.e if some incredibly stupid individual was going to bhop a tank 5-6 times in a streamed match then we'd be able to penalise that kind of behaviour. Not that anyone is capable of such an immensely idiotic display, Are they?

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2017, 01:49:46 am »
Guys I looked into it and I found video proof of Mao using bhop cheats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu5xMkNpQp4&t=26s

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2017, 10:19:02 am »
Guys I looked into it and I found video proof of Mao using bhop cheats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu5xMkNpQp4&t=26s


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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2017, 01:41:24 pm »
didnt read the thread but on top of what u pointed out with demos being inaccurate sometimes, the clip looks like there was some lag involved and l4d2 really doesnt display camera turning that well in the survivor model especially under laggy conditions. not sure if that holds true in first person demos but if you spec someone from third person you will see there can be instances where they melee or even shoot out of their "back" so its not crazy to imagine theres instances where it looks like someone is shooting sideways. theres a setting which can fix that server side but it prevents curve rocks, so we never changed it. if the verdict in the thread is they cheat then game on my dudes.

edit: why was the crosshair disabled in this video? all we can see is the gun model and have to make assumptions based on that. it didnt seem like the charger was that far from the center of his screen. if he was barely "off" then it can be explained by lag / lerp / etc. id also like to add on that the "bullets" you see arent the actual "bullets" which hit the charger, they are client side. thats why back in the day you needed an addon to see the actual spread of the static spread shotgun. anyways dont really have a strong opinion other than this seems kinda witch hunty to me and this evidence is pretty inconclusive. i wouldnt ban any1 over this 1 clip.

edit 2: didnt see u covered some of the stuff i said in the op but yea i guess this is me confirming stuff you said.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 01:52:11 pm by Jacob »

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #81 on: January 24, 2017, 01:38:41 pm »
didnt read the thread but on top of what u pointed out with demos being inaccurate sometimes, the clip looks like there was some lag involved and l4d2 really doesnt display camera turning that well in the survivor model especially under laggy conditions. not sure if that holds true in first person demos but if you spec someone from third person you will see there can be instances where they melee or even shoot out of their "back" so its not crazy to imagine theres instances where it looks like someone is shooting sideways. theres a setting which can fix that server side but it prevents curve rocks, so we never changed it. if the verdict in the thread is they cheat then game on my dudes.

edit: why was the crosshair disabled in this video? all we can see is the gun model and have to make assumptions based on that. it didnt seem like the charger was that far from the center of his screen. if he was barely "off" then it can be explained by lag / lerp / etc. id also like to add on that the "bullets" you see arent the actual "bullets" which hit the charger, they are client side. thats why back in the day you needed an addon to see the actual spread of the static spread shotgun. anyways dont really have a strong opinion other than this seems kinda witch hunty to me and this evidence is pretty inconclusive. i wouldnt ban any1 over this 1 clip.

edit 2: didnt see u covered some of the stuff i said in the op but yea i guess this is me confirming stuff you said.
Read the thread, he admitted he hacks

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Re: Serenity is not cheating
« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2017, 05:51:36 pm »
lmao what an idiot

 

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