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Why is minevra allowed to play?
« on: October 01, 2014, 05:27:28 pm »

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2014, 05:32:26 pm »
Because if VPK "hacks" from a year ago was enough to get someone DQ'd we would have like 3 teams. People seem to be fine with all the NA players who have got caught hacking continuing to play the game so I'm not gunna treat this team any differently.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 05:34:47 pm by Jacob »

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2014, 05:43:29 pm »
Why was Minevra not disqualified?

http://www.l4dnation.com/custom-campaign-tournaments/custom-campaign-tourney-3-sign-ups!/msg34562/#msg34562

Because if VPK "hacks" from a year ago was enough to get someone DQ'd we would have like 3 teams. People seem to be fine with all the NA players who have got caught hacking continuing to play the game so I'm not gunna treat this team any differently.

so it looks like this is the very first 'controversy' of this cct3. the moral of the other thread estoopi posted was to be consistent and that's what it seems Jacob is being here so this shouldn't be a surprise, so +1.
However the runnin krew aka 'stickupkidz' aka 'AG' aka 'h2k' admins who have implemented this 'clean slate' policy towards players who have been caught hacking in the past reflects only how those 4 particular admins and, coincidentally, teamates believe. if you were to create any sort of poll to see how the community as a majority feels you might be left with different results
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 07:03:34 pm by heriot »

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2014, 06:08:11 pm »
Mmmmm. I guess I figured it'd be a different story since pretty much the whole team used. Whatever though, it's not like they won't be asked for ss/demos constantly.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2014, 06:19:37 pm »
It's one thing to mathack(Not actually hacking) using the VPK system. It's another thing entirely to use a third-party program to legitimately hack.

Regardless of whether it was/is in a public game, those players should not be allowed to participate in h2K PUGs much less tournaments.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2014, 08:26:41 pm »
VPK "hacks"

Correction: they were banned for "r_drawothermodels" violation. Convar violation/bypass is much more than just a "VPK hack". That's a third-party inject tool, albeit it might be a free one too(however all paid cheats include this "feature" as well).

The video might be controversial, but the other two members of that team have been automatically detected and banned by SMAC on a confogl server. Not just a confogl server, but the ex-main competitive european hub. In my book, irrefutable proof of usage of injectable cheats is enough for automatical disqualification from the community.

I haven't commented on your and estoopi's decision in this regard because it's none of my business. However, seeing "shots getting fired", I decided to make things clear.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2014, 08:33:34 pm by Visor »
$10 says you aren't anywhere near a controlling position of the L4D3 scene in any continent when it happens.

Thing is he does what he wants, cause his able to and we are letting him do that. He abuses hes place and power in this community and people like me get banned for no reason. Only thing visor wants is more and more control so he can do what ever he wants.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2014, 09:25:53 pm »
Just so everyone knows I'm gunna be personally watching all their matches anyways just to keep an eye out. I'm not concerned about anyone hacking in this tourney.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2014, 09:35:56 pm »
Just so everyone knows I'm gunna be personally watching all their matches anyways just to keep an eye out. I'm not concerned about anyone hacking in this tourney.
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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2014, 02:59:03 am »
Just so everyone knows I'm gunna be personally watching all their matches anyways just to keep an eye out. I'm not concerned about anyone hacking in this tourney.

You shouldn't have to watch them. They shouldn't be allowed to participate in the tournament in the first place.  Why people who've hacked in public games and PUGs are allowed to still participate in PUGs and matches is beyond me. It looks as though everyone in the community has no accountability unless they do something socially appalling, and even then if they're of high status we just brush it off.

Exactly what does it take now to be banned from participating in the competitive community? Do I need to participate in a match with aimbot, make a bind that spams "(Tournament administrator) is a flimsy-chinned carpetplow", while livestreaming it so you have no doubt that I'm hacking... AND insult some player's girlfriend, AT THE SAME TIME?

Fuck, I forgot. I need to make a frag video with my hacks and then gloat about it on L4Dnation... then get unbanned.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2014, 03:00:57 am by 3yebex »

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2014, 08:41:35 am »
BAE CAUGHT ME VPK'N.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2014, 09:30:44 am »
so it looks like this is the very first 'controversy' of this cct3. the moral of the other thread estoopi posted was to be consistent and that's what it seems Jacob is being here so this shouldn't be a surprise, so +1.
However the runnin krew aka 'stickupkidz' aka 'AG' aka 'h2k' admins who have implemented this 'clean slate' policy towards players who have been caught hacking in the past reflects only how those 4 particular admins and, coincidentally, teamates believe. if you were to create any sort of poll to see how the community as a majority feels you might be left with different results

I'm gobsmacked at how everyone seems to think the clean slate means that no one will get banned for hacking. On STK servers VPKs are disabled unless you are registered as a caster. If you are caught using wall hacks, aim bots, bunny hop scripts on our servers and we have proof of such then yes, you will get banned. The clean slate was merely a way to give some people a second chance. There have been people that had used VPKs and were banned from LTD but since the clean slate, they have not re-offended.

Plus STK admins are not CCT3 admins and have no power over who plays in the tournament, only who plays on our servers.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2014, 10:35:19 am »
Fuck, I forgot. I need to make a frag video with my hacks and then gloat about it on L4Dnation... then get unbanned.


Fat asian has a point, why the fuck was KEIS unbanned in the first place? The kid has the craziest record of hacking including with steam bans/esea bans. I would have understand if he was using VPKs but this guy had external programs to help him bhop and zipbops his way through towns.

also tfw the only person that attempts to take parky's crown ends up hacking

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2014, 01:32:01 pm »
Fat asian has a point, why the fuck was KEIS unbanned in the first place? The kid has the craziest record of hacking including with steam bans/esea bans. I would have understand if he was using VPKs but this guy had external programs to help him bhop and zipbops his way through towns.

also tfw the only person that attempts to take parky's crown ends up hacking

I don't really see how a ban on l4dnation is really relevant whatsoever. KEIS doesn't even post, but if you want I could ban some other people who got caught cheating in L4D2. They probably shouldn't play in tournaments either.

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2014, 01:40:29 pm »
also tfw the only person that attempts to take parky's crown ends up hacking

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Re: Why is minevra allowed to play?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2014, 02:38:21 pm »
I'm gobsmacked at how everyone seems to think the clean slate means that no one will get banned for hacking. On STK servers VPKs are disabled unless you are registered as a caster. If you are caught using wall hacks, aim bots, bunny hop scripts on our servers and we have proof of such then yes, you will get banned. The clean slate was merely a way to give some people a second chance. There have been people that had used VPKs and were banned from LTD but since the clean slate, they have not re-offended.

Plus STK admins are not CCT3 admins and have no power over who plays in the tournament, only who plays on our servers.
it looks as if you were directly referring to what i said. i think you misunderstood me and i guess what i would say is reread my post because
a. i said that " 'clean slate' policy towards players who have been caught hacking in the past"
b. jacob is being consistent with your rule, which he feels most people are okay with

i hold the majority or even minority belief that visor said, once you are caught cheating you should lose your privilege to play in this small community. whether or not this is shared by a multitude remains to be seen because all we really know now is that the admins of this pug network decided the rule should be on people caught hacking in the past. i think it would be interesting to see what more people think, 95% of posts in any hacking thread is just spam, meme's, flaming or some other kind of trash.

obviously you guys arent running this or any tournament for that matter, but i dont think think theres any denying your decision has a large amount of sway on what current tournament admins and the people who play in your pug network decide, plus pretty much everyone uses your servers, there are few NA servers in comparison to the large network you have built.

with that being said, i am neither an admin of this tournament nor your network for which you admins pay for the services, therefore i and everyone else should respect that both you, and these tournament admin's decisions as both of you are free to impose whatever rule you want.

if jacob wants to let them play but cautiously and watch them every step of the way i think that is his decision alone and the fact that he is willing to do so should reassure everyone theres nothing to worry about and he is indeed running a fair tournament for everyone. obviously there's nothing stopping anyone from disputing this team with a giant red flag over their head if they play suspiciously. anyway, my tldr would be i both disagree with allowing any past hackers to play but considering everything above both respect and agree with jacob's decision

 

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