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« Reply #90 on: December 10, 2016, 01:39:19 pm »
So what areas in promod did survivors choose to fight in water? Because Im pretty sure there was none.

fight what in water tanks or attacks? the removal of water slowdown opens up so many areas without consequence now such as
swamp fever 1, the very open directly across from the tank spawn all the way in the back. as opposed to the land open, at least there was that bush. really no way to spawn with the 2 or so trees in that water if survivors spread out enough.


swamp fever 2. for the event. the water around the plane. no reason NOT to take event there as there are no spawns. not saying the other open area was hard but did it really need to become easier? the rest of the map is just a joke for infected w/out the slowdown. swamp was always a good map for a good coordinated infected team.

hard rain 4. the house that most people play the tank in map 1 or the house across from the ambulance becomes even harder than map 1 which was already easy. tank can not keep los on these maps. at least when people went there to nullify cars there was a payoff. now theres no reason not to. the only significant tank of hard rain 4 now is anything below 40 where the survivors cant push to these safe havens. hard rain 4 is no longer a 'map 4'd map where you will lose the whole game despite dominating the previous 3 maps. the distance / health bonus fixed this.

my question is when did we suddenly decide things were too easy for survivors and think that we needed to give them things such as buffing weapons, removing a significant focal point of SI And tankplay in waterslowdown?

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« Reply #91 on: December 10, 2016, 01:54:27 pm »
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swamp fever 1, the very open directly across from the tank spawn all the way in the back. as opposed to the land open, at least there was that bush. really no way to spawn with the 2 or so trees in that water if survivors spread out enough.


swamp fever 2. for the event. the water around the plane. no reason NOT to take event there as there are no spawns. not saying the other open area was hard but did it really need to become easier? the rest of the map is just a joke for infected w/out the slowdown. swamp was always a good map for a good coordinated infected team.

hard rain 4. the house that most people play the tank in map 1 or the house across from the ambulance becomes even harder than map 1 which was already easy. tank can not keep los on these maps. at least when people went there to nullify cars there was a payoff. now theres no reason not to. the only significant tank of hard rain 4 now is anything below 40 where the survivors cant push to these safe havens. hard rain 4 is no longer a 'map 4'd map where you will lose the whole game despite dominating the previous 3 maps. the distance / health bonus fixed this.

Swamp Map 1: The only time I seen survivors try to take it here the tank just got infinite LOS, and ate slow but constant damage until they had to move.

Swamp 2: As for this area, survivor slowdown makes nearly no difference for holding the event, the area is just wide open, and with buffed uzi most of swamp is just event holding in wide open areas and taking no damage.

Hard Rain 4: The only time people took tank at the house across from the ambulance was when the tank was too close for them to push back. because

All these areas were areas in promod you wouldn't fight a tank unless you had too because water slowdown was far too detrimental.

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« Reply #92 on: December 10, 2016, 02:02:40 pm »

All these areas were areas in promod you wouldn't fight a tank unless you had too because water slowdown was far too detrimental.
um yeah. thats the entire point.

to use hard rain 4, do you risk taking the ambulance stilt house tank to guarantee you won't get car'd or go back and risk it to get a better health bonus. now theres no choice. u stay under that house. 0 risk.

i listed a few spots off the top of my head. but it isn't just about during tanks. its the entirety of SI attacks. did things really need to be made easier for survivors in a way that hurt the infected rendering maps like swamp no fun against decent survivors.

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« Reply #93 on: December 10, 2016, 05:16:36 pm »
I think that the reload speed buff was one of the better changes to the uzi, and it was a required change. The uzi prior to any kind of edit was far inferior to the shotgun. It was so useless that barely anyone ever took it in Acemod. In Promod it had slowdown which was the main reason it was used at all. Without the slowdown some kind of buff is required. I'd prefer a composite buff compromised of both reload speed and moving accuracy/reduced spread. Regardless this is all unimportant, configs are likely not going to be updated and i'm quite content with acemod v4.

yo now that you put it in that perspective, I agree with you about the acemod vs promod uzis.

You were never going to get a discussion in the first place.  It always goes the same. "I think this, oh you think that? na... I think this, wait you think that? na thats wrong this is what I think.  WHOA wtf, thats what you think, nonono this is what I think and ITS THE RIGHT THING TO THINK".

Elusive, just like grizz can post what he wants I can too.  So fuck off bud. yayaya, hes on "topic".  Personally I think hes a psycho but whatever.

Let me share with you a real story about him then.  We were puggin, right? grizzz deadstops a jockey.  Dude on the other team says something along the lines of "damn, god level player".  grizz stops mid game while playing survivor and types "nobody is on his level" meaning god I guess.  At this point I say something along the lines of "are you kidding me, that dude isnt really saying you're fucking god, you're insane bla bla bla..." I also said fuck god or something im not sure but at this point grizz goes " god will punish you bravo ".  Being a very curious little boy I say something like "what, is he going to take my games away?"  grizz goes "no, gods punishment is death".  LIKE ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME WITH THAT SHIT? HES A FUCKING NUT JOB.

ight no problemo. Yo I'm cool with what you sayin just idk sometimes shit goes to far but whatevs :-X
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« Reply #94 on: December 10, 2016, 05:38:27 pm »
yo now that you put it in that perspective, I agree with you about the acemod vs promod uzis.

ight no problemo. Yo I'm cool with what you sayin just idk sometimes shit goes to far but whatevs :-X
man elusive is so nice he buys bottles of water just to set it free in the ocean.

unless theres something im missing though there will never NOT be a reason to go uzi. even without its reload speed, and immobile and mobile spread drop and whatever else has done. even if it was just the promod uzi without slowdown, its always good to have? why? for a number of reasons but mostly just range. i can't speak to the shotgun buffs but i really dont think they are op at all. if people rarely went uzi before v4 then fine. a lot of what we are addressing about the tanks is facilitated then.

i think dusty said it before. we took out hr for a reason. so the tank doesnt have to be a little bitch and los himself. it should be the other way around. it just simply isnt. tank HAS TO HIDE from these uzi's FOR THE MOST PART.

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« Reply #95 on: December 10, 2016, 05:53:52 pm »
Best luck in maintaining the community, I truly hope for the best possible outcome.

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« Reply #96 on: December 10, 2016, 06:24:27 pm »
Best luck in maintaining the community, I truly hope for the best possible outcome.

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     I really hope you're talking about me, if so let me enlighten your shitty delusioned brain and what you think what it means to be a "man".  I moved to the states when I was 8, I attended this countries shitty public schools without knowing a lick of English and with no knowledge of the american culture and was physically and mentally bullied through elementary school because of it.  I started learning how to fit in or avoid ignorant fuck heads that ruin the public education system for others and by the time I graduated high school I had every university in California laid out in front of me to pick from.  I finished a bachelors in biology and took a year off to gather up money for graduate school.  I worked construction doing mechanical insulation and saw the worst of the worst.  Cavemen honestly. 

     I have been through my fair share of experience so far and I dont need a brainwashed fuck boy that says god will kill me if I make a little fun in video games and talk some shit.  A year ago you would clock in 120+ hours a week in this game and rage at your teammates for every single thing.  Now you're sucking on gods huge invisible cock and talking like you just received your doctorates in English.  Don't fucking fool yourself with your own nonsense because you sure as hell dont seem very intelligent in other peoples eyes, you come off as a fucking nut job.  Btw this took me 2 minutes to type with about 1 minute of preparation. 

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« Reply #97 on: December 10, 2016, 06:26:27 pm »
Best luck in maintaining the community, I truly hope for the best possible outcome.

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I Think people were thrown off by the dog metaphor. ive had hour long convos with matt and he's one of the smartest and well spoken people here. i wouldn't dismiss anyone's perspective simply because they were religious or belonged to a religion different than my own. thats a very narrow way of thinking and you can't do that in life.

and i dont think its a reach at all to say that acemod is, in general, a config that is better for the individual. you get to run around and shoot stuff with more powerful weapons and are less reliant on your teammates. the idea when we first nerfed survivors back in the original frus mod and then later confogl for l4d2 was to force the then OP survivors to play as a team more. and hey guess what. survivors kept getting better and better. so thats why im dumbfounded as to why we suddenly thought we needed to buff them.

and fwiw i always said what the community lacked as a whole are people with initiative. people with initiative that sustained teams over the years include myself prodigysim dawkins dusty supra zeon/ymtisd, bravo purple phil cooljerk hib frankophone intel dylan kekkeri daniel and of course grizz.

this short list off the top of my head is definitely US Centric from people i know, and not at all a testament to skill whatsoever, but as players who took the initiative to create and organize several different teams / rosters within a team and did everything from starting the team (the difference between someone posting 'looking' and 'recruiting') which is the hardest step, scheduling with little bitches like intel who tried to get FF's, looking for scrims for hours and all the other complicated bullshit it entails.

none of that shit is fun. ppl just want to play right now. and in games like cs you can solo q or match with friends and be in a game in less than 2 minutes. not the same here. so i think you have to credit that for the lack of teams. most of them probably got bored of the game which is to be assumed. so we have a whole bunch of players who pug still and you can just pug right now. play a unserialized game, no preparation. no consequences. thats a lot more appealing than trying to get a team together and in addition to all those other things above, losing for a good majority of the time because all the experienced players remaining are one of 2 us teams essentially.

do i think promod is/was better for the scene? yes but that is of course subjective. what isn't is how overpowered these uzi's are and the undeniable buff survivors have been given. acemod 4 wasn't final. NF is working on a compromise lets try and keep the focus on that and less internet trolling please.

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« Reply #98 on: December 10, 2016, 07:06:22 pm »
Yes, I believe snipers and HR were bad for competitive.

Okay, to the point of what happened, during the time you didn't play, acemod was released, and with the removal of tank slowdown and removal of M2 on hunters, people started to realize how bad uzi was on its own. Acemod quickly became a 4 shotgun all the time meta. After a while some people started to say uzi needed a small buff to compensate or compete, I also thought it a good idea, as the 4 shotguns of the apocalypse became pretty boring. Visor took a stab in the dark with his buff/numbers, and now the uzi's as they are are OP.

I think if we just reverted the uzi we'd go back to the style were uzi was just underperforming compared to shotgun in acemod. I believe the buff to the uzi was a good decision, but I think the buff was overdone. I believe the best course of action would be to discuss the uzi buffs, figure what is best, and meet somewhere in the middle of vanilla and acemod current values.

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« Reply #99 on: December 10, 2016, 09:13:10 pm »
Yes, I believe snipers and HR were bad for competitive.

Okay, to the point of what happened, during the time you didn't play, acemod was released, and with the removal of tank slowdown and removal of M2 on hunters, people started to realize how bad uzi was on its own. Acemod quickly became a 4 shotgun all the time meta. After a while some people started to say uzi needed a small buff to compensate or compete, I also thought it a good idea, as the 4 shotguns of the apocalypse became pretty boring. Visor took a stab in the dark with his buff/numbers, and now the uzi's as they are are OP.

I think if we just reverted the uzi we'd go back to the style were uzi was just underperforming compared to shotgun in acemod. I believe the buff to the uzi was a good decision, but I think the buff was overdone. I believe the best course of action would be to discuss the uzi buffs, figure what is best, and meet somewhere in the middle of vanilla and acemod current values.

Either use promod ~4.0 weapon balance (without buffed shotgun from acemod) or use ~v3 Acemod weapon balance (with only a reload speed buff on uzi and slightly buffed shotgun spread).

Personally, i'd go with the promod weapon balance because i feel like survivors are overbearingly strong, but I just want balanced weapons so I'm fine with the latter.

 Limit uzis regardless of what you do.

EDIT: This is done with the assumption that we agree that uzi > shotgun, which I hope we do.

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« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2016, 01:26:40 pm »
     I really hope you're talking about me, if so let me enlighten your shitty delusioned brain and what you think what it means to be a "man".  I moved to the states when I was 8, I attended this countries shitty public schools without knowing a lick of English and with no knowledge of the american culture and was physically and mentally bullied through elementary school because of it.  I started learning how to fit in or avoid ignorant fuck heads that ruin the public education system for others and by the time I graduated high school I had every university in California laid out in front of me to pick from.  I finished a bachelors in biology and took a year off to gather up money for graduate school.  I worked construction doing mechanical insulation and saw the worst of the worst.  Cavemen honestly. 

     I have been through my fair share of experience so far and I dont need a brainwashed fuck boy that says god will kill me if I make a little fun in video games and talk some shit.  A year ago you would clock in 120+ hours a week in this game and rage at your teammates for every single thing.  Now you're sucking on gods huge invisible cock and talking like you just received your doctorates in English.  Don't fucking fool yourself with your own nonsense because you sure as hell dont seem very intelligent in other peoples eyes, you come off as a fucking nut job.  Btw this took me 2 minutes to type with about 1 minute of preparation.
if there's anything that our schools teach its how the bullied has become the bullies themselves. best of luck to you matt, dont dwell on this single individual's animosity towards you and your faith.

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« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2016, 04:48:31 pm »
if there's anything that our schools teach its how the bullied has become the bullies themselves. best of luck to you matt, dont dwell on this single individual's animosity towards you and your faith.

yeah meanwhile when I join pug lobbies to talk to you about how crazy grizz is you sarcastically laugh and blatantly joke about him and his faith.  The difference is I dont give a fuck about his faith, everyone has the right to believe what they want.  It is the way he presents himself.  I guess you dont have the balls to talk about it here, instead you do it in pug lobbies and come here in his rescue when clearly you laugh about him when hes not there.  You're really effecting positive change sheriff shade!

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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2016, 05:50:52 pm »
yeah meanwhile when I join pug lobbies to talk to you about how crazy grizz is you sarcastically laugh and blatantly joke about him and his faith.  The difference is I dont give a fuck about his faith, everyone has the right to believe what they want.  It is the way he presents himself.  I guess you dont have the balls to talk about it here, instead you do it in pug lobbies and come here in his rescue when clearly you laugh about him when hes not there.  You're really effecting positive change sheriff shade!
i wasnt laughing at his faith. i was laughing at the randomness of the junkyard dog metaphor and how clearly a lot of people including you weren't able to interpret it. i noticed you mocked him for that but i thought it was a brilliant bridge to what he was trying to say. I've had long talks with Matt. the way he presents himself is extremely well spoken.

regarding his faith. well i dont want to make this a religious discussion but as far as christianity goes, his faith which he told me about focuses only on what actually is present in the bible as opposed to other denominations that go beyond the bible.

i think he's a nice guy. i think he's a smart guy. there's a lot of smart people in this community. if you don't believe me try rereading any of his two contributions to this discussion for positive change. in fact, after being ridiculed for his faith, by you here, he says he wishes for the best possible outcome for this community. i'd say thats presenting himself in a very mature way.

 
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« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2016, 06:01:31 pm »
i wasnt laughing at his faith. i was laughing at the randomness of the junkyard dog metaphor and how clearly a lot of people including you weren't able to interpret it. i noticed you mocked him for that but i thought it was a brilliant bridge to what he was trying to say. I've had long talks with Matt. the way he presents himself is extremely well spoken.

regarding his faith. well i dont want to make this a religious discussion but as far as christianity goes, his faith which he told me about focuses only on what actually is present in the bible as opposed to other denominations that go beyond the bible.

i think he's a nice guy. i think he's a smart guy. there's a lot of smart people in this community. if you don't believe me try rereading any of his two contributions to this discussion for positive change. in fact, after being ridiculed for his faith, by you here, he says he wishes for the best possible outcome for this community. i'd say thats presenting himself in a very mature way.

Not sure who you're trying to fool here, you straight up mocked and laughed when I mentioned him in mumble.  You can keep lying to... I dont even know who... lol.

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« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2016, 06:09:58 pm »
Not sure who you're trying to fool here, you straight up mocked and laughed when I mentioned him in mumble.  You can keep lying to... I dont even know who... lol.
i wasnt laughing at his faith. i was laughing at the randomness of the junkyard dog metaphor and how clearly a lot of people including you weren't able to interpret it. i noticed you mocked him for that but i thought it was a brilliant bridge to what he was trying to say. believe it or not but throughout history a lot of people that were ahead of their time were mocked for the things they believed and said only to recognized later.     

i notice you have had about 0 contribution to this thread for positive change towards the configs. matt has allotted hours to the benefit of this community. why don't we quit it with the off topic internet trolling and get back on topic?

 

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