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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2015, 05:36:18 pm »
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« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2015, 05:59:55 pm »
This. As a west-coast US player, I dislike playing on anything that isn't Texas, simply because it offers the best ping available to everyone in the United States. Whenever I'm playing a PUG, if there is a european I'm always one of the first to advocate for a New York server to meet half-way (even though I get orange, if not near red-ping. I can handle anywhere from 30 - 100ms ping).

However, every time I come across a PCW it seems to always be the same with europeans. They pick a server where I get 170ms, and they somewhere around 20ms (yes, 20ms) or 40ms and are completely unwilling to give up some of that precious green ping to meet us half-way in New York (which would give everyone pretty much orange ping with maybe a few green. Even after we play on their home servers, it seems that euro PCW teams always have "something to do" afterwards and won't rematch on a New York server.

This is all made me pretty damn salty towards europeans. IAmSunn is guilty of doing this too.

Didn't you select a Dallas server during a pug with 3 Europeans just today? Well, obvious lies and bullshit aside, The reason alot of the Europeans are unwilling to play Americans on an American server is for the simple fact that the sense of entitlement is quite annoying. In nearly every cup Euros are forced to play with a disadvantage, Perhaps they just want to give the Americans a taste of their own medicine?

Besides this is a huge generalisation, When my team was active in Pcws the only team that would ever play on Eu was Grizz and Co. Bare in mind this server choice was not even my request, Grizz insisted in order to practice with his team on "high" ping, I'm sure he will verify this. Every other American team would laugh at the suggestion of playing on Eu, or even NY sometimes. So before you generalise and tar everyone with the same brush perhaps you need to broaden your mind a little, I'm assuming it's just lack of experience rather than ignorance that is causing you to type this as you never came across as being an idiot.

I believe I mentioned this before, However just incase you forgot; You're most likely seeking these PCWs on an EU hub which is obviously the reason these players make the assumption you're okay with playing on an EU server. Perhaps in order to avoid confusion and incorrect assumptions about European players as a whole you should post PCW New Jersey server. Your mistake isn't their fault.

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2015, 06:16:31 pm »
Using team Non Stop as an example isn't exactly the best thing to do, they're the kind of team that refuses to play on New York servers in a scrim against a team consisting of West Coast players, even though they'd still have better pings than the Americano's.
European teams are almost always forcing American teams to play on EU servers, it's quite sad to see tbh.

I personally would love participating in this cup, but I don't have a team and the euros run in fear when you mention orange ping.
People care too much about their wins and losses in this game, fewer and fewer people play this game because they simply enjoy playing it for fun.

Well this is almost entirely consisted of bullshit, It's true that Non Stop won't play on NY, but that's purely due to their dislike of Americans in general and not fear of the ping. As for the Euros having better ping that Americans on NY, Quite frankly that just isn't reallly possible let alone probable. You of all people should know that. Just like xbye you're guilty of having a very closed minded approach to viewing a situation and are seeing everyone in the same light. Don't contribute to a discussion if you're not capable of offering an unbias opinion.

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2015, 07:19:45 pm »
Didn't you select a Dallas server during a pug with 3 Europeans just today? Well, obvious lies and bullshit aside,
It was a mistake, and I'm terrible with geography so I just am familiar with New York/Dallas/Chicago/California/Seattle servers. I had no idea that New Jersey had became the new New York. Maybe if you were actually apart of the PUG or didn't just assume horseshit, you'd realize after I was educated about New Jersey that I asked if they wanted to go back to lobby and switch to TFPG NJ. In which both EZ and Danne, said no it's fine.

In nearly every cup Euros are forced to play with a disadvantage, Perhaps they just want to give the Americans a taste of their own medicine?
Sounds like a lot of childish behavior. An eye for an eye will make everyone blind, or in this case make everyone salty. I still advocate for meeting halfway, even when a team (which they haven't...) agreed to rematch us on our server the next day. My teammate was all for picking West-Coast server to give us the best ping and give them a disadvantage, I told him that would be rude and we should at least meet at New York.

Perhaps in order to avoid confusion and incorrect assumptions about European players as a whole you should post PCW New Jersey server. Your mistake isn't their fault.
I guess it's my fault assuming that my opponents would be courteous and meet us half way so that everyone's ping was spread-out/even. A few PCWs I've came across everyone on their team had <40 ms and we all had >150ms. They were insistent that we change servers to a better server (for them...?) and the new server they were sitting around <30ms and we all had >180ms. That sounds pretty trash to me.

You of all people should know that. Just like xbye you're guilty of having a very closed minded approach to viewing a situation and are seeing everyone in the same light.
I've seen people in Europe have better ping to a New Jersey/New York server than me from the West Coast. It's very, very probable. US internet is bad, and is notorious for having really ridiculous routing which creates extra ping. If all wiring was a straight shot to New York, yes US would obviously always have better ping. However, it's not. I have to go around the entire damn country just to reach New York.

Don't contribute to a discussion if you're not capable of offering an unbias opinion.
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« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2015, 07:27:08 pm »
Maybe if you were actually apart of the PUG or didn't just assume horseshit, you'd realize after I was educated about New Jersey that I asked if they wanted to go back to lobby and switch to TFPG NJ. In which both EZ and Danne, said no it's fine.

I thought Pariah was Danne?

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2015, 07:29:08 pm »
Using team Non Stop as an example isn't exactly the best thing to do, they're the kind of team that refuses to play on New York servers in a scrim against a team consisting of West Coast players, even though they'd still have better pings than the Americano's.
European teams are almost always forcing American teams to play on EU servers, it's quite sad to see tbh.

I personally would love participating in this cup, but I don't have a team and the euros run in fear when you mention orange ping.
People care too much about their wins and losses in this game, fewer and fewer people play this game because they simply enjoy playing it for fun.

Well this is almost entirely consisted of bullshit, It's true that Non Stop won't play on NY, but that's purely due to their dislike of Americans in general and not fear of the ping. As for the Euros having better ping that Americans on NY, Quite frankly that just isn't reallly possible let alone probable. You of all people should know that. Just like xbye you're guilty of having a very closed minded approach to viewing a situation and are seeing everyone in the same light. Don't contribute to a discussion if you're not capable of offering an unbias opinion.


If it was up to me i would never refuse to play on NY server. Idk if my team has dodged games when i haven't been around but that's bs saying we generally "refuse" to play on american servers. When my team started to scrim more against americans, lot of times they were cocky and asked for eu server themselfs. Jota and johzi aren't that familiar playing with high pings and they both have horrible routing to NA servers which usually gives them around 180-200 ping, it has nothing to do with the nationality. Also bigger problem with american servers isn't the ping, its more about the quality of the servers and how well they are optimized. I play pugs/scrims on american servers quite often and never had problem playing with high ping. There is also many other EU players who can handle high ping very well.

In my opinion its way more balanced playing on EU server while people from NA usually have very good pings (85-120) on sir please servers which are very well optimized > has huge impact on hitreg and responsiveness of the server. Rather than playing on non-optimized vps and around 140 pings and even higher ones for people who have shitty routing to the server ( considering some NA players have orange ping on their own server anyways ). Its good to see that sir has opened few NA servers on Seattle, cant wait to test them out.
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« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2015, 07:44:49 pm »
It was a mistake, and I'm terrible with geography so I just am familiar with New York/Dallas/Chicago/California/Seattle servers. I had no idea that New Jersey had became the new New York. Maybe if you were actually apart of the PUG or didn't just assume horseshit, you'd realize after I was educated about New Jersey that I asked if they wanted to go back to lobby and switch to TFPG NJ. In which both EZ and Danne, said no it's fine.
Sounds like a lot of childish behavior. An eye for an eye will make everyone blind, or in this case make everyone salty. I still advocate for meeting halfway, even when a team (which they haven't...) agreed to rematch us on our server the next day. My teammate was all for picking West-Coast server to give us the best ping and give them a disadvantage, I told him that would be rude and we should at least meet at New York.
I guess it's my fault assuming that my opponents would be courteous and meet us half way so that everyone's ping was spread-out/even. A few PCWs I've came across everyone on their team had <40 ms and we all had >150ms. They were insistent that we change servers to a better server (for them...?) and the new server they were sitting around <30ms and we all had >180ms. That sounds pretty trash to me.
I've seen people in Europe have better ping to a New Jersey/New York server than me from the West Coast. It's very, very probable. US internet is bad, and is notorious for having really ridiculous routing which creates extra ping. If all wiring was a straight shot to New York, yes US would obviously always have better ping. However, it's not. I have to go around the entire damn country just to reach New York.
Pot calling the kettle black...?


Listen, It's very simple; If you're scrimming and the method that you're using to find these scrims is to post on an EU competitive hub then you must expect to play on an EU server. This is generally how I've always viewed this matter, When posting on H2K I always expected to play on an American server and thus I didn't bat an eye when this was the case. As for their promise to return the favour and play on an American server tomorrow; I'll not comment on that because I have no information about this. I will say that it's fairly silly for them to make the promise if they will not then honour it. You must also take into account the lack of choice Europeans have when you mentioned your team mate wanting LA server; All of the competitive European servers are located within Either Germany or France. They offer very very similar pings to each other, they most likely didn't switch server in order to make it less playable for your team, To deliberately do that would only be an example of the childish behaviour you alluded to.

As for your suggestion about the even ping, I'll just be as blunt and honest as possible. The truth is that people like having an advantage, this goes for both sides in this story, The Americans do and the Europeans do. That being said, There are those who are more than content with playing on an even playing field and would prefer that, I am assuming that you are one of those people, despite your questionable logic and server choices at times. I would also like to play on an even keel whenever possible, it's not much fun beating on people with ping that strongly inhibits their ability to play. Many of the people you're playing are probably not active competitive players in terms of cups, they probably have little experience in international format matches and it's unlikely they are attempting to be rude or obnoxious about the server choice; they are simply geographically uneducated in regard to the options available, Didn't you admit that you had a similar issue? When playing less experienced players it's just how it works, you have to give a little ground if you want the pcw to be played, unfortunate yes, but that's how it works.

In an ideal world everyone would be willing to find a server with the most even pings possible, I am a strong advocate of doing this whenever possible. In regard to your point about NJ server pings, I've never once played against a team consisting of 4 West Coast players. I'll share with you the closest that I've ever come to this situation so that you can see for yourself how the pings work out. As you can see, with 3 west coast players and 3 Euros it's very close to being even, but if you throw in any American that isn't more or less crawling up the beach in Cali then the ping disparity is large. If there was enough players in competitive L4D2 for teams to be entirely composed of players from the same regions, then this wouldn't be an issue. This game and it's competitive scene is inherantly unfair, I'm as against it as you are, Just bare in mind that you guys don't have to play with that disadvantage in cups. I'd imagine you'd probably become fairly salty too if your attitude as a result of a few scrims is anything to go by. I believe there are many admins out there who are doing their best to level the playing field as much as they can.
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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2015, 07:50:13 pm »
There is so much irony in this thread.

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2015, 07:54:46 pm »

If it was up to me i would never refuse to play on NY server. Idk if my team has dodged games when i haven't been around but that's bs saying we generally "refuse" to play on american servers. When my team started to scrim more against americans, lot of times they were cocky and asked for eu server themselfs. Jota and johzi aren't that familiar playing with high pings and they both have horrible routing to NA servers which usually gives them around 180-200 ping, it has nothing to do with the nationality. Also bigger problem with american servers isn't the ping, its more about the quality of the servers and how well they are optimized. I play pugs/scrims on american servers quite often and never had problem playing with high ping. There is also many other EU players who can handle high ping very well.

In my opinion its way more balanced playing on EU server while people from NA usually have very good pings (85-120) on sir please servers which are very well optimized > has huge impact on hitreg and responsiveness of the server. Rather than playing on non-optimized vps and around 140 pings and even higher ones for people who have shitty routing to the server ( considering some NA players have orange ping on their own server anyways ). Its good to see that sir has opened few NA servers on Seattle, cant wait to test them out.

As I said, I do not believe the fear of ping to be the reason your team doesn't play on American servers. I sympathise with J & J, even to play against beach dwelling Californians on a New Jersey server would be unfair in terms of ping for them. I also strongly agree with the point about an Eu server often being the most balanced option for the reasons mentioned, this is 100% the case especially when playing american players who are mostly from the Eastern side of the U.S. I hope Sir will offer NJ based servers in the future with his 100 tick optimized brand.

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2015, 07:57:23 pm »
There is so much irony in this thread.

Fix it, Jacob.

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« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2015, 07:59:54 pm »
I thought Pariah was Danne?

A perfect example of me being just fine with playing on a Dallas during after joining a pug in an American based pug group.  ;D

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« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2015, 08:02:56 pm »
There is so much irony in this thread.

If you're trying to compare a one off 6-7 round tournament that is "American based" with a whole pug/scrim network that facilitates dozens of games per day then I think you need to take a step back and rethink.

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2015, 08:12:48 pm »
I wish I had orange ping  :'(

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« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2015, 08:29:17 pm »
I love this dead games community, how people care so much about this dead game is fascinating and highly entertaining. +rep

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Re: Announcing CCR²T
« Reply #74 on: May 26, 2015, 10:11:08 pm »
Whatever is good for you people.

 

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