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Rate my casting
« on: August 05, 2014, 11:12:50 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaDtqIGeWCA#t=1670

Please rate my casting.

Starting at 27:50. I'm interested in hearing constructive criticism on this and pointing out what helps and what doesn't.  I will warn you that I didn't start off strong at all.  I don't plan on being anywhere near the calling abailites of Rails or Kissme, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

Also, a Special TY to Kissme for asking me to assist with casting this game. I had a blast and would do it again upon request.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 01:15:03 pm »
10/10 would listen again but next time more dick jokes please! For srs though you were a bit apprehensive but for your first cast it was pretty good and i definitely enjoyed it. You were quite informative and left little dead air, which is the most important thing.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 01:29:43 pm »
The main goal of what should be done as a caster should be to describe the action going on, and then to analyze what occurs with your own personal opinion which should enhance the audience's viewing of the game. On that level, I think you did quite well! I think you need to be more confident, because as I say quite often, I didn't start off confident either! Also, I used to practice shoutcasting pugs all by my lonesome (as you mentioned in the cast), recording them via mumble (this was on the old DS mumble and they'd know not to barge into the channel when I was doing this) and then listening to them afterwards. Another thing which helped me quite a lot was watching a lot of casts and listening to different casting styles, including, primarily, ProdigySim, Dragon, Battle, and Fever.Xiu, and I ended up modeling my casting style after Psim's subconsciously, I guess. I'd say the most important thing to work on would be to develop nothing but positive vibes towards your casting, accepting the fact you're going to make mistakes which every single caster does, even the sports announcers who get paid the big bucks to do this, and, most importantly, to not care at all about what other people think if it's negative, because you're going to only get better through practice, and the very fact that you're doing it means you need to have fun! :D

I look forward to casting with you sometime soon!

EDIT: First hand advice from the one and only Battle!

裸の王 | G¾Я: I'd say the most important thing to work on would be to develop nothing but positive vibes towards your casting, accepting the fact you're going to make mistakes which every single caster does
裸の王 | G¾Я: I DISAGREE
裸の王 | G¾Я: On the grounds I'm fuckin perfect
Rails Barlow: ^^^^^
Rails Barlow: you are the exemption to that rule
裸の王 | G¾Я: Edit post or riot
裸の王 | G¾Я: Dont group me with fatty dragon
« Last Edit: August 05, 2014, 04:35:05 pm by Barlow »
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 05:24:15 pm »
What happen to option "0"

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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 06:27:18 pm »
裸の王 | G¾Я: Edit post or riot
裸の王 | G¾Я: Dont group me with fatty dragon


Just as I suffered his drunken and stoned bouts in early-morning casts, it's inevitable that Battle suffers my "fatty" self. Balance remains intact.

Back on topic, I think your first cast was good. You didn't sound too nervous but you were in the passenger seat and there is a natural inclination to follow the caster who is taking the lead. You were also attentive to the crucial numbers by informing the viewers of the bonus which is a big plus. If you've not read it, I made this post in a previous thread not long ago: http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d2-discussion/left2learn-co-casters-needed-want-to-give-casting-a-try/msg32298/#msg32298

I don't believe that anyone comes up with a '10' for their debut cast because it's the biggest obstacle of all and it's never going to be 'perfect'. But I do think your first cast merits an 8 because you seemed to reasonably enjoy it, you weren't too fazed and you've cleared the biggest hurdle already which shows you've got the right ingredients to do casting in the long run. I'd say try and think about pitching in a little more often during casts, especially if you can add something which serves either as an extension to what the co-caster was talking about or something that neither the co-caster nor the streamer picked up or alluded to. This might be part of what Rails said and you just needing to be a little more confident but that's natural and expected after going through the baptism of fire.

As for mistakes, don't worry about them. Honestly, I've fumbled a few words, Battle has been intoxicated enough on several occasions to the point where it really shows and others have their moments too. Just keep it going and you'll do fine.


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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 08:13:48 pm »
Thanks all. I appreciate all the input.  and Relapse, I was told not to use 0 because that was reserved for you?  I dunno, just repeating what I heard  8)
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 08:15:58 pm »
Just as I suffered his drunken and stoned bouts in early-morning casts, it's inevitable that Battle suffers my "fatty" self. Balance remains intact.

Back on topic, I think your first cast was good. You didn't sound too nervous but you were in the passenger seat and there is a natural inclination to follow the caster who is taking the lead. You were also attentive to the crucial numbers by informing the viewers of the bonus which is a big plus. If you've not read it, I made this post in a previous thread not long ago: http://www.l4dnation.com/l4d2-discussion/left2learn-co-casters-needed-want-to-give-casting-a-try/msg32298/#msg32298

I don't believe that anyone comes up with a '10' for their debut cast because it's the biggest obstacle of all and it's never going to be 'perfect'. But I do think your first cast merits an 8 because you seemed to reasonably enjoy it, you weren't too fazed and you've cleared the biggest hurdle already which shows you've got the right ingredients to do casting in the long run. I'd say try and think about pitching in a little more often during casts, especially if you can add something which serves either as an extension to what the co-caster was talking about or something that neither the co-caster nor the streamer picked up or alluded to. This might be part of what Rails said and you just needing to be a little more confident but that's natural and expected after going through the baptism of fire.

As for mistakes, don't worry about them. Honestly, I've fumbled a few words, Battle has been intoxicated enough on several occasions to the point where it really shows and others have their moments too. Just keep it going and you'll do fine.
being a bouncer in a cast is difficult for me for some reason. I find my self stuck with words like "absolutely" a lot which kind of stops my thinking process.  I'm learning there is words I have to avoid to keep conversation going.
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Re: Rate my casting
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 11:18:05 pm »
What happen to option "0"
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2014, 02:11:43 am »
being a bouncer in a cast is difficult for me for some reason. I find my self stuck with words like "absolutely" a lot which kind of stops my thinking process.  I'm learning there is words I have to avoid to keep conversation going.

Yeah, I have to be careful as well, due to the fact I have a noticeable lisp on certain words, I really only worked through that via practice and also completely losing any amount of self-consciousness I had. It never really impeded me in my real life; I don't know your experience, but I do a lot of presentations and public speaking in real life, and I can really only say that it'll get a lot better with more practice. If you compare how I sounded in my first few casts to where I am now - lord knows how many casts deep I am - you'll be able to tell a difference. :D Optimism is the only way to go!
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 02:35:45 am »
u shud stride to be like rails. he literally solo radio casted the end of wolfpack nv and kept the suspense. rails i really think you should become some sort of caster like Michael Kay / John Sterling (voices of the yankees) or do horse racing. as u already know it is my dream to move to montana and become a horse...

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 02:56:31 am »
I'm opinionated,  cynical, distracted far too easily and 90% casts need to be reminded to ready up,  casting flawlessly neeeeever gonna happen human nature dictates we fuck up on the public stage in varying degrees of embarrassment but aslong as people enjoy it {not everyone of course people will hate you irrespective of what end of the scale you cast at} and you don't feel intimidated or uninterested  in what your doing.  Job done.

Having chemistry with a Co also helps alot,  it distills dead air during casts,  gives you someone to bounce hit/tank related banter with be it constructive criticism or a different take on whats just unfolded.  Only advice I can really give to finding a Co is by watching casts picking up on people's tendancies.  Thankfully I have been blessed and had a large pool of experienced and entertaining individuals to carry me through casts and generally removed any degree of awkwardness from the environment {bow flexin, fever, prodigy sim, dragon, rass,  rails} the list goes on and admittedly the pool if dedicated casters are alot slimmer now than it used to be {no compliment  intended I still consider dux and dragon dangerously cheese burger  motivated} but I can count the bad casts using alot less fingers.

TLDR; find your zen, locate Co,  avoid south Americans,  enjoy the experience.





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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2014, 09:48:09 am »
I'm opinionated,  cynical, distracted far too easily and 90% casts need to be reminded to ready up,  casting flawlessly neeeeever gonna happen human nature dictates we fuck up on the public stage in varying degrees of embarrassment but aslong as people enjoy it {not everyone of course people will hate you irrespective of what end of the scale you cast at} and you don't feel intimidated or uninterested  in what your doing.  Job done.

Having chemistry with a Co also helps alot,  it distills dead air during casts,  gives you someone to bounce hit/tank related banter with be it constructive criticism or a different take on whats just unfolded.  Only advice I can really give to finding a Co is by watching casts picking up on people's tendancies.  Thankfully I have been blessed and had a large pool of experienced and entertaining individuals to carry me through casts and generally removed any degree of awkwardness from the environment {bow flexin, fever, prodigy sim, dragon, rass,  rails} the list goes on and admittedly the pool if dedicated casters are alot slimmer now than it used to be {no compliment  intended I still consider dux and dragon dangerously cheese burger  motivated} but I can count the bad casts using alot less fingers.

TLDR; find your zen, locate Co,  avoid south Americans,  enjoy the experience.





Bring cheese burgers


I think I get the jist of what you're saying but all the sudden I'm hungry and lost what you mean.

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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 01:12:26 pm »
Rule #1 of public speaking:

If it doesn't help you, IGNORE IT.


Did you stammer your last five words? Ignore it. Did your co-caster say something stupid? Ignore it. Are you unsure if the analysis you just gave is right or wrong? Ignore it. Did a bee fly into your open mouth while you were talking? IGNORE IT. Get the idea?

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« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2014, 01:53:29 pm »
Rule #1 of public speaking:

If it doesn't help you, IGNORE IT.


Did you stammer your last five words? Ignore it. Did your co-caster say something stupid? Ignore it. Are you unsure if the analysis you just gave is right or wrong? Ignore it. Did a bee fly into your open mouth while you were talking? IGNORE IT. Get the idea?

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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 02:04:37 pm »
There are three roles for a good caster like Rails mentioned:

1) Play-by-play calling. Tell people what they're seeing. Talking fast helps. However talented your cameraman might be, people watching the cast don't have as nice of a view of the action as you do. A good goal would be to imagine that you're doing a radio broadcast. Don't assume that you can ignore something just because it's "obvious" or you think people will see it anyway.

2) Always draw the viewers' attention to the positive and exciting things they're seeing on-screen, and if nothing good is happening on screen (e.g. a pause or lots of baiting, whatever) then talk about stuff that just happened that was fun, stuff that might happen in the future that could be exciting, or just random stuff about the community or your own personal sense of humor that YOU find amusing and entertaining. RELAX and do whatever it takes to be having fun yourself because if you're not having fun then everyone can sense that and they won't have fun listening to you.

I'm no authority on how to keep the energy level up -- if you've seen any of the handful of games I've casted, I've been described as the "Ben Stein" of the l4d community and I agree with that completely. But I think that there is a third part of the role that is easy to overlook that goes beyond "presentation"...

3) Analysis. I think it's very important that any analysis you do give should be correct. New players will assume you are an authority and they will use your analysis to learn. Therefore it is definitely better not to give analysis than to give analysis that is wrong. If you're not confident that you can explain why the survivors wiped on a tank that is usually easy, then either rely on your co-caster if they are more experienced, or just talk about the impact that wipe had on the relative position of each team.

I have a dry, cerebral casting style -- but in the casts I've watched in the past I've often been proud of the analysis I gave. Other occasional casters come to mind who are slow talkers, but who consistently give razor-sharp analysis with excellent judgement about which details need the most emphasis: purple and sidewaysbox. ProdigySim is the best of both worlds: he knows how to keep the energy level up, knows how to make his co-caster look good, and can analyze most any situation by adding something illuminating.

If you look at Kissme's casting career, you can see how he's learned to avoid excuse-making (since it only draws attention to problems rather than away from them) and that has helped hugely. Conversely if you look at Rails' casting career you can see how he was always good at talking, but the quality of his analysis has grown noticeably over time and that has made him a much better caster. You can't know what to talk about unless you know what you are talking about! So increasing your 'map knowledge' and gaining insight into higher level strategies is crucial to being a top-notch caster.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2014, 02:09:27 pm by fig newtons »

 

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