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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2015, 12:56:56 pm »
Whoa, I was talking only about computer processors.
$10 says you aren't anywhere near a controlling position of the L4D3 scene in any continent when it happens.

Thing is he does what he wants, cause his able to and we are letting him do that. He abuses hes place and power in this community and people like me get banned for no reason. Only thing visor wants is more and more control so he can do what ever he wants.

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2015, 01:17:35 pm »
Fair enough, but even with computer processors, you can't necessarily say one brand is better over the other because of price. AMD could have less overhead that results in lower prices but still maintain same quality as their Intel counterparts. But generally speaking in this case, you are correct.

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2015, 04:08:21 pm »
Let me make sure I am clear by saying that I have zero knowledge of the AMD versus Intel debate. This isn't about that at all. My computer came with a 6 core AMD and, after a couple of years, I wanted to upgrade. The upgrade to the eight core AMD was done because it was within my budget and because I wouldn't have to explore anything related to upgrading anything else at the same time.

I just want to stream some vidya games. That's it. Best quality I can get without sacrificing performance. A bunch of guides I've read say that my set up should be 1080p 60fps which I know from experience is dead wrong. There are a lot of guides and such around the internet but there are some very knowledgable people here that can give me some 1 on 1 advice about my specific settings.

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2015, 05:45:42 pm »
I just want to stream some vidya games. That's it. Best quality I can get without sacrificing performance. A bunch of guides I've read say that my set up should be 1080p 60fps which I know from experience is dead wrong. There are a lot of guides and such around the internet but there are some very knowledgable people here that can give me some 1 on 1 advice about my specific settings.

Those guides must be exceptionally stupid. With Twitch's 3500 bitrate limit, and the amount of strength it'd take to stream 1080@60... I can only imagine these guides are centered around people playing fucking Hearthstone or Hatoful Boyfriend. 1080@60 w/ 3500 bitrate on any game that has more motion than a 10 APM Starcraft stream is going to look like shit on Veryfasy preset. So let me teach you a thing or two...



TwitchTV
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First, and foremost. I want to get this cleared ASAP. There is no magic to using the 720p or 1080p resolutions. There are resolutions in between/lower that works just as damn fine. I personally use 648p, using OBS-MP (Open Broadcaster - Multiplatform) so I get more preset downscale resolutions but also have the option of typing in my own resolutions if I wanted to. So... for just livestreaming throw out the mindset of 720p and 1080p. We will however touch on this moreso later.

Next, is your bitrate. Let's face it... 3500 is the max bitrate for non-partnered and non-successful partners. Even Partnered streamers get in trouble with Twitch Staff for going over 3500, but unless you are someone like Sodapoppin (Rank 8) and bring big revenue to Twitch, you aren't going to be allowed to stream at a higher bitrate than 3500. There are a few big-time partners that have been seen streaming at 6000, 7000, and I even witnessed myself a 10,000 1080@60 livestream.

Okay so... 3500 bitrate, let's go with that! Wait though...!!! Just because you can stream/upload 3500 bitrate... that doesn't mean other people can watch at 3500 bitrate. 3500 bitrate doesn't sound like a lot to be able to download, sure as hell doesn't to me. However, this is THE GOD DAMN UNITED STATES WHERE CAPITALISM REIGNS. ISPs get away with crappy networking, shady throttling, and the whole nine-yards. Someone may have a 100/10 package from their ISP, but their ISP may throttle their connection to certain websites such as Twitch or Youtube.

Okay so then what bitrate do I use Senpai Xbye?! Well, you're free to use whatever bitrate but just know that your bitrate dictates who can watch your stream without encoding options. The starting spot for non-encoding options is 2,000 bitrate, where I used to use 2,300 because I still got a decent amount of viewers and only very few people complained about stuttering during matches.

When you start to go over 2,000 you start to lose potential viewers... and once you are over 2500 you are risking alienating a lot of people. I recently got permanent encoding options after talking with a Twitch staff member in preview for future encoding systems they are planning and are using my stream as a beta-test. Even though I have permanent encoding options however... I still use 2800 bitrate because it's good enough in most scenarios and allows all my old regulars the privilege of still watching my livestream on source because the encoding options make your stream look like ass.

But... Xbye?! 2300 bitrate?! Everything looks like ass!

Welcome to fucking livestreaming, bitch. Do you want viewers/admirers/friends, or do you want a bust of yourself that only yourself and a few others can admire? This is the problem with livestreaming, especially in Left4Dead 2. Left4Dead 2 has a lot of shading transition, dark corners, dust, and god damn fucking trees. So, you can either go with high resolution and low bitrate or low resolution and low bitrate. Personally though, playing many other different games 2300 is a fine bitrate... it's just that Left4Dead 2's game requires so much higher bitrate to manage due to everything that L4D2 streams will look worse than games such as Borderlands 1 or Borderlands 2. My BL1/BL2 videos look fine as fuck.

For 2300 bitrate, 616p was a fine line but it was pushing it... a good alternative could also be 540p. Trust me, could someone who made this masterpiece be lying to you? Trust me...

Okay, what about framerate now?! From what I've experienced (and gathered from research) is that 30 FPS is the most "round-a-about" area. It will have the least amount of pixelation but the least smooth. If you want an alternative, 24 FPS works just fine (and looks fine too, don't let the haters bring you down. I used this for a long time.) Do not use 25 fps.

So, you want fast motion? Well, more framerate means more CPU usage and also more bitrate. There are some decent alternatives to 60 fps, such as 45, and 48. However, 48 is a much better alternative than 45. If you want to know why I use numbers like 24/30/45/48/60 and not numbers like 25/35 then you'll need to do research because I ain't covering that here.

Now, just because you go from 480@30 to 480@60 doesn't mean you need double the bitrate. It will however use up more of your CPU which could lower your in-game FPS and response time, and also keep in mind that if you decide to be a camera-man (like I am)... learn the map like you would as if you were playing it. Create a 3D space in your mind and avoid things like trees/gas/out of bound walls so you can know where to move and where the next best camera angles are.

So, my computer has a 4790k @ 4.5GHz... I'm letting you know that, I would be having trouble if I streamed 1080@60 w/ the default Veryfast preset. I'd be dropping frames, and my in-game FPS would probably be quite low. You can lower your preset to get better quality, but the drop of presets results in little quality gain and substantially more CPU usuage. The only really big quality difference I've seen from dropping presets was between fast and medium. Where Medium preset made grain/foliage look a lot more clearer/less pixelated. Going from Veryfast, to Faster, and to Fast made negligible differences. So I suggest using Veryfast unless you want to start experimenting like I did. I spent hours and hours messing with bitrates, resolutions, presets, and watching Task Manager on my CPU usage. Kept rewatching my vods and seeing what I liked. Now however, I'm more obsessed with Youtube VODs than Twitch because the resources I could put into a temporary Twitch livestream do not outweight a permanently archived Youtube VOD.


I hope I did not miss something in my large rant... I will be covering Youtube in another post. Youtube is very important for a Twitch streamer and why 720p/1080p is important for a Twitch streamer that uses Youtube's video archiving service. I need to make some phone calls, so once I'm done I'll edit this post with my Youtube experience/information/rant.

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2015, 06:52:22 pm »
Are you still checking this dping? Your last checked helped me a bunch and now I'm looking for a little bit of help again.

I just upgraded my CPU! The price was right and I picked up an AMD FX(™)-6300 Eight-Core Processor 4.00GHz. A slight upgrade but it should help. I was hoping you could take a look at my settings and help me optimize it - Best quality for the lowest impact, that kind of thing. I've taken screenshots of all my OBS settings so you can see exactly what they're set at. Again thanks for doing this. Any insight would be great.

1. http://imgur.com/4qAs7gH

2. http://imgur.com/Wpp1dHX

3. http://imgur.com/fktc90P

4. http://imgur.com/NzT91Ll

5. http://imgur.com/4xqMWCI

6. http://imgur.com/Jxo5eJN

7. http://imgur.com/mq08jAS

I seem to be getting a "high encoding warning: consider turning down settings" fairly frequently while streaming, although the dropped frames are gone for the most part. Again, I really appreciate the help.


ofcourse I'll take a look.  sorry, I just got to my PC and catching up on convo. will reply soon.
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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2015, 07:00:33 pm »
What? That is not always true. Better is subjective and can depend on the use case. As for price, often price undercutting is done to break into a market and build awareness, so cost doesn't always necessarily determine quality (there's also brand-labeling, government imposed fees such as uber vs taxi industry for example, and so on).

you probably upgraded to an FX8350 from a FX6300. That would make sense with the 4GHz 8 core AMD.

AMDs Piledriver line is subpar when it comes to intel's true 8core implementation.  Infact, its more like 4 shared cores with 4 other shared cores which is some cases, runs slower than an i5 4690.   

This being said, 720@40 veryfast preset, should be fine for your CPU, but I would like to see an actual logfile and maybe I'll get on mumble with you or steam chat while we go over some things to assist with your CPU usage.
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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2015, 08:50:08 pm »
https://gist.github.com/77e12807a26732f1bee6

That should be the log link from last night's stream where I was experiencing that "high encoding" thing. Also I dig the rant Xbye, I'll be glad to read your youtube rant as well  :D

And my CPU was a typo it looks like. It's now a AMD FX(™)-8350 Eight-Core Processor 4.00GHz. If you wanted to pop on mumble or something tonight we can.

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2015, 04:31:57 am »


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A good read and you seem to know what you are doing with this stuff.

You have any recommendations for what setting I should use for streaming L4D and some RTS based games with :
i5 3570k (not overclocked).
upload not great - going from 3mbit to 6 mbit within next week

SO im looking at what :
preset
bitrate
resolution (plus any downscaling)

Something im confused about is in the video settings within twitch "when you click on the cog icon in the stream.
In this one:
http://www.twitch.tv/atomicsheep/v/12304961
it says video res 1600 x 900. BOth my stream and PC res weree set to 1920x1080 that day. So where does it get the 1600 res from?

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2015, 11:55:34 am »
A good read and you seem to know what you are doing with this stuff.

You have any recommendations for what setting I should use for streaming L4D and some RTS based games with :
i5 3570k (not overclocked).
upload not great - going from 3mbit to 6 mbit within next week

SO im looking at what :
preset
bitrate
resolution (plus any downscaling)

Something im confused about is in the video settings within twitch "when you click on the cog icon in the stream.
In this one:
http://www.twitch.tv/atomicsheep/v/12304961
it says video res 1600 x 900. BOth my stream and PC res weree set to 1920x1080 that day. So where does it get the 1600 res from?

Cheers

Look at Video Resolution not Display Resolution. Video resolution is what the stream/video itself is, whereas display resolution is what the video is currently being shown as. For me, display resolutions says 1410x815 but if I click full-screen it will change to 1920x1080. Display resolution is all on your side, and not the stream's side. Video resolution is showing me 1920x1080.

3mbit and 6mbit are just fine. However, I'm noticing in that specific video you linked the video is stuttering/freezing. This can come from several different factors for Left4Dead 2, such as using m_rawinput 0, HDD writing/reading lag, graphic card issues, ect. However, I'm going to go with the more simple guess and say that whatever settings you are using are too much. I'm noticing that you can not maintain 30 FPS, it fluctuates.

You are streaming 1080@30, it's clearly too much for your computer and frankly I wouldn't risk my game-play over livestreaming with better settings. Livestreaming however, is a sacrifice. I know for a fact that I play better when I'm not livestreaming, even with very low settings for me I still get added in input-lag and frame-time duration meaning everything in my game updates slower on my monitor. How much you want to sacrifice, is up to you though.

I would suggest using the following:

Preset: Veryfast (Don't even touch this unless you want to test things and see what you can handle. Quality gain from Veryfast -> Faster, and Faster -> Fast is neglible. The only noticeable quality difference I've seen is from Fast -> Medium... and Medium is really far down there.)
Bitrate: 2,000 is a good starting point. Refer to resolution however...
Resolution: Your computer(or internet) is choking. You can't maintain 1080@30. I suggest trying 1080@24, or lowering your resolution and maintain 30. There is no special settings. You don't need to use 1080/720 outside of Youtube.

Also, a side suggestion from that video. You got an incredibly obnoxious cover over the entire top-side. Something I've noticed is that, viewers don't like having useful portions of the screen covered. It's fine if you do something small and fancy too, but that art that you have is huge and covering the Scavenge can screens. It's also lowering the amount of viewability of the stream because they are missing out on 1/4th of the image.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 11:57:14 am by 3yebex »

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2015, 07:23:53 pm »
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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2015, 04:47:47 pm »


I would suggest using the following:

Preset: Veryfast (Don't even touch this unless you want to test things and see what you can handle. Quality gain from Veryfast -> Faster, and Faster -> Fast is neglible. The only noticeable quality difference I've seen is from Fast -> Medium... and Medium is really far down there.)
Bitrate: 2,000 is a good starting point. Refer to resolution however...
Resolution: Your computer(or internet) is choking. You can't maintain 1080@30. I suggest trying 1080@24, or lowering your resolution and maintain 30. There is no special settings. You don't need to use 1080/720 outside of Youtube.

Also, a side suggestion from that video. You got an incredibly obnoxious cover over the entire top-side. Something I've noticed is that, viewers don't like having useful portions of the screen covered. It's fine if you do something small and fancy too, but that art that you have is huge and covering the Scavenge can screens. It's also lowering the amount of viewability of the stream because they are missing out on 1/4th of the image.

Cheers for the info. Lots to consider
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« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2015, 08:18:06 pm »
Cheers for the info. Lots to consider
hey buddy, did you have an updated logfile to show? sorry I dont check back here very often, l4d2 getting stagnate for me but I'm around to help
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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2016, 04:21:35 pm »
reviving this because I've recently had another audio delay issue

https://gist.github.com/cda9280c60a6e16c764132bad6484356

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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2016, 08:09:15 pm »
scene buffering to 700ms,  uncheck "force desktop audio to use video timestamps",  set "global audio sync offset" to 0ms.


Lastly, I found this in your log as well:

Code: [Select]
WARNING: Another hook is already present while trying to hook d3d9.dll, hook target is
 \Device\HarddiskVolume2\Program Files (x86)\RadeonPro\AppProfiles.dll.
 If you experience crashes, try disabling the other hooking application

you don't need to uninstall radeon pro, just need to disable what it forcing an on-screen overlay with it.
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Re: Free look at your OBS logs to optimize/fix your settings!
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 11:23:54 pm »
What? That is not always true. Better is subjective and can depend on the use case. As for price, often price undercutting is done to break into a market and build awareness, so cost doesn't always necessarily determine quality (there's also brand-labeling, government imposed fees such as uber vs taxi industry for example, and so on).

You're mistaken mate, better might be subjective but only in its own range because thats how the marketing is done, you will never find a low-end cpu outperforming a mid-range one, let alone the high-end so yehh higher the price better the shit you get..

//I know its an old post but i felt like i had to reply to it
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